Tension, Apprehension and Dissension
"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" --Julius Caesar, Act 3.
(Disclaimer: I filched this quote from a column by Leonard Pitts, a liberal but articulate and intelligent columnist who I read regularly and with whom I sometimes even agree, at least in part.)
I have been agonizing for some time over what subject(s) to write a post about and find myself transfixed in the headlights of a veritable witches' brew of rancor, accusations, demogogeury, protests, recalls real and threatened, lying campaign ads, riots and now, mass-murder terrorism in that bastion of liberal benevolence, Norway, of all places. I have no idea where to start, partly because this extremism is unprecedented, at least in my long recollection. I do have a strong feeling, though, that all this cacophony is merely symptomatic of a larger problem. So, I'm going to try to address that basic.
Somewhere, we have lost a sense of decorum, of respect and--yes--nobility. Every disagreement becomes a cause for violent response. We can't lose gracefully but must go down in bloody combat. When have you heard someone say, "Why, yes, you're right, Senator."? People fight like rabid dogs over pieces of ideological meat. Even in this blog, I constantly battle to keep the discourse civil, with limited success.
The reason is, I believe, that we, at least some of us, have lost respect for each other as, for the most part, decent human beings with whom we happen to disagree. At the root is a loss of morality and positive values. As an employee of mine once said, "It's all awful!"
Christianity teaches us to "turn the other cheek." This Biblical exhortation has been widely misinterpreted and may be poorly translated from the original Hebrew. A better translation, according to Clark, is: "Do not repel one outrage by another." Meaning, he that does so makes himself precisely what the other is, a wicked person. The Jews always thought that every outrage should be resented; and thus the spirit of hatred and strife was fostered.
Some may disagree, but morality in our society is largely based on Judeo-Christian ethics. Morality is the basis of our values, which control our conduct. Respect for others is a moral precept, as are tolerance and empathy. Present day rancor expresses little if any of these. You liberals out there, what is your opinion of Governor Scott Walker? You conservatives, what do you think of President Barack Obama? Is there any respect, tolerance or empathy in your reaction?
So, what happened to us over the years? Where did decency and love for our fellow man (even those with whom we disagree) go? I believe it went the way of morality. When I was in grade school, we were taught moral principles. We were taught respect for others and for authority. Over the years it trickled away, much like the boiling of the frog. I believe this de-emphasis was all part of a general purging of Judeo-Christian principles from public education. Maybe even the pseudo-scientific religion of Evolution was a factor, in that it is totally incompatible with the Christian philosophy.
Despite the philosophers among us, Humanism is not a substitute for moral structure. Left to ourselves, we are not very nice people. That is why we have, or had, a societal and religious set of rules and standards, some codified into law, to keep us civil and safe. Based on the 60's ethos of "Let it all hang out," much of this structure has gradually eroded, leaving society much the coarser. If we eliminate interpersonal morality, the result is inward-focused selfishness and disregard for others. Tell me that is not the basis of much of what bothers you about our present social structure.
Christianity has no lock on morality. Most major religions, even Islam, espouse moral conduct. This country is largely Christian, at least according to polls, which establishes it as the appropriate source of moral teachings. The Hebrew Yeshiva is equally moralistic. In fact, the sole repository of moral teaching today is the parochial school system. (I include all religious-based schools under the label "parochial".) Unfortunately, these last bastions of gentility, virtue and human ethos unfortunately constitute only a minor part of the public education system.
William J. Bennett wrote a book on education--The De-Valuing of America: The Fight for Our Culture and Our Children (1992)--wherein he warned that the elimination of morality education in our schools would result in the creation of a generation of monsters. That's a bit excessive, but we have seen an alarming rise in juvenile lawlessness and inappropriate behavior over the past 20 years. Without morals, conduct becomes driven by self-gratification and anger.
Much of our public education system has descended into chaos itself, reaping the whirlwind of the elimination of morals, respect and self-discipline from the curriculum. Unguided self-expression is not a useful tool for function in society or in the classroom. I don't advocate the teaching of religion in the public schools, but ethics and morality instruction based on Judeo-Christian principles certainly could be structured acceptably, even for the ACLU. I'm not holding my breath.
Until we begin again to respect each other and teach our children to sympathize, empathize and appreciate our fellow man, not just in high-sounding rhetoric or soup-kitchen volunteerism but in real interpersonal relations--yes even with politics--the dogs of war will feed ever more ravenously and our society is in real danger of descending into chaos. Bennett's prediction may yet be realized.
It need not be.
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90 Comments
bamaphd - Jul 27, 2011 6:43 PM
The one thing you forgot was "Walk a mile in that person's shoes".
We never really stop to find out who that other person is, most of the time.
WFB resident - Jul 27, 2011 6:58 PM
can see it from myself in great strides . When I first had discussions with people
in this country . I was taken aback at how rude the people were and how self
involved people were here . Since I have been here I am not able to discern
myself from those around me . That is sad ! I am reluctant to try and be the way
that I was for I see that people assume stupidity with those who do not respond
with a sharp tongue . Or those that offend first that get no response assume
superiority . I will wait for more to partake with this discussion .
ExToDResident - Jul 27, 2011 7:54 PM
My first thought was that you were quoting the Klingon commander from Star Trek; The Final Frontier in the final scenes where the enterprise is taking a pounding. (Still wonder why Kirk didn’t go in with the shields up since he knew the Klingon ship was there.)
I couldn’t agree more with you Al. The rancor between people has reached epidemic proportions. I was also told to respect others.
I do have problem with maintaining respect for someone when they continuously criticize and condemn me for no other reason than the opinion I hold. It is hard to respond to that person with any respect or reverence.
I especially have little respect or patience for those who belittle and ridicule another for no reason than being on the other side of their argument.
It has become harder to respectfully disagree when you are shown no respect.
MGarber - Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM
"I agree that we have lost a great deal of our civil discourse with one another."
Aside from my problem of you using the word "we", you're both implying that things were once "better". I take issue with that. when? where? I look thru history and Im not seeing much of it.
"Most major religions, even Islam, espouse moral conduct."
Thats because the origins for civil conduct do not have religion as a basis, but rather from a social contract all groups of people have used to maintain and promote stability and well being (the continuance of the tribe). Because it is so important, religions just restate it, to make it stick.
Unfortunately, like riders on a congressional bill, religions then see the need to "pile on", giving us edicts like disobedient children should be beaten, or women should be subjugated, or bacon cant be consumed.
MGarber - Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM
Now *THAT's* one insanely wrong statement (in so many ways).
No disrespect intended.
aneuhauser - Jul 28, 2011 3:36 PM
Where does the Ten Commandments--or "Ten Suggestions"--figure in all of this?
MGarber - Jul 28, 2011 5:16 PM
So what would you consider a non-pseudo science?
Why do you call evolution a religion?
Why do you think evolution is a factor in the loss of civility?
As to the 10 commandments, they were, just as I described, a social contract with some "piling on" (leaving Egypt, the hebrews has no structure whatsoever). Where do they figure in? Whereever in your personal life you want them to! But please dont tell me who to worship, or when I cant work, or all the other commandments that wouldnt pass *any* constitutionality test.
Carl Hicks - Jul 28, 2011 6:59 PM
1st class full fledged member of the human race
As such I am entitled to live my life as I see fit
as long as I do not harm another human being
And that has been how I have lived my life.
So while I do agree the 60s may have helped usher in some of the lack of morals we see today. I believe the dislike for people who wish to live their lives in different styles took its strongest hold during the "ME" decade of the 80s.
It seems since the 80s others are judged not by their moral convictions but based on their income level. My father while not a rich man financially was highly respected for his strong moral beliefs.I think had he lived to see the way things changed in the 80s he would be quite disgusted with the way people changed.
To answer your question about respect for politicians . I have little for respect for the majority of them on either side as most seem to have their own personal gain ( large campaign contributors and kick backs from lobbiests) as their main motivators and very few seem to care about serving the people.
jhayett - Jul 28, 2011 10:21 PM
I also do not agree that the origin of civil conduct did not start with religion. unless of course you don't believe in the Bible. Adam and Eve would be why.
aneuhauser - Jul 29, 2011 12:50 AM
1. One would be chemistry, which is short on theory and long on proven relationships. Physics, on the other hand, is just the opposite.
2. Because it is a vehemently--even violently--defended concept with no proof. There is not one iota of unequivocal evidence of trans-species progression, yet it is accepted as fact. Without that, the whole theory collapses. I maintain it takes more pure faith to believe in Darwinian Evolution than in Christianity.
3. I believe morality is based on Judeo-Christian teachings. Evolution is incompatible with Genesis, which is the basis of both religions. Thus, the teaching of Evolution-as-fact in grade school requires students to choose. Most choose their teachers' guidance and so depart their religious belief system. (That happened to me.) The consequence is a moral vacuum at the time of values development, which inevitably diminishes civility.
MGarber - Jul 29, 2011 7:24 AM
Your last sentense makes no sense.
Al - 1.Im sure both chemists and physisists (I know a couple of each) would be shocked to know they were on the opposite ends of your spectrum.
2. Is wrong (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46), but feel free to maintain what you want.
You are also using the word "proof" incorrectly.
3. Theres a lot of "leaps" of logic going on here, but feel free to maintain what you want.
So you 2 think there there was no civil conduct before/outside the judeo-chrisatian era/sphere (Sumerians? Phonecians? The vast Chineese empires? The vast Indian empires? The entire Grecian empire that is credited with birthing "western civilization")? Its amazing anybody else was/is able to stay together as a cohesive tribe for more than a decade, much less create an empire.
bamaphd - Jul 29, 2011 8:45 AM
Can you have a look and see why all the comments seemed to have been killed off on Dustin's blog?
Thanks.
bamaphd - Jul 29, 2011 10:22 AM
It was very enjoyable. Al: I wish you the best. You have a difficult situation, but I have to say you handle it with uncommon grace and fortitude. You keep well.
"Sorry again Tami, I've got may answer ( I'll post my comment here since Hayett's site is now totally blocked to everything other than his manipulations)
"I don't read Dustins blog"
Well yes you do, you've posted there a number of times.
"If it is gone, maybe you need to look in the mirror and see why. Your hatefulness and your viscous rhetoric to those you cant debate or agree with maybe why."
Well how would you come to these conclusions if you don't read Dustin's blog?
Ok I guess I have my answer as to "Who Done it"
If this is what these blogs are all about, then as of today I am bowing out.
Thanks Tami. Keep well. Your work is important."
Thanks Al.
sirlaughsalittle - Jul 29, 2011 10:44 AM
goodness' sake.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27588998@N00/3062573032
MGarber - Jul 29, 2011 10:58 AM
"We don't need some man in the sky to tell us how to behave ... just be good for
goodness' sake."
At one time we probably DID need that, and some people still probably DO need a carrot ("if you're good, I'll give you 73 Vegans when you die") or a stick ("if you're bad, I'll make you spend eternity in torment").
Everyone here realizes that "the golden rule" predates judaism, right?
sirlaughsalittle - Jul 29, 2011 12:27 PM
Yes indeed.
I'm not aware of the golden rule predating judaism, but the ethic of reciprocity
seems to be a central tenet of most, if not all, moral systems religious and
otherwise.
MGarber - Jul 29, 2011 12:52 PM
Its like I said; they're just restating it, and then since its such a good idea that people are gonna say "yup, good idea", they pile on. Sometimes it gets so out of hand that people invariably end up picking and choosing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_Mitzvot).
Tami Klink - Jul 29, 2011 3:58 PM
ExToDResident - Jul 29, 2011 7:06 PM
Or is it more likely that “we” don’t want to listen to others?
Much of the rhetoric flowing around the web and the media demonizes the other side.
Factions on either side of the argument aren’t willing to concede their views or give ground. It seems that everyone views compromise as “giving in” or caving. Negotiation seems to be a thing of the past.
WFB resident - Jul 30, 2011 10:10 PM
be just biased Hacks ! From the NYT to PMSNBC . Now people have seen that their
usual media sources can not be trusted . Hello Tea Party ! The new trust group .