Light My Volt!
Three new Chevrolet Volt electric/gas automobiles, the great white hope of GM and the Obama Administration that subsidized the Volt's development up to the hilt, recently caught fire during crash tests. Their lithium-ion battery packs burst into flame during the tests, creating minor consternation within GM which is frantically exercising damage control. This $41,000 vehicle is subsidized at about $8,000 a copy to get the price down(!) In addition, many $billions of taxpayer money (can you say that if it's all borrowed from China?) was "invested" in the development of the car and its battery pack.
Over two years ago, I wrote a lengthy blog post ("Batteries Not Included"--May 24, 2009) on the subject of electric automotive propulsion. (Some of the drawings are not reproduced in the archive version, for some reason.) In that post I discussed the heat problems inherent in large-scale lithium-ion batteries. Following is an excerpt from that prescient post. (Remember, it is dated 2009.)
There are three battery types in past, current and projected use for automotive propulsion: lead-acid, nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) and lithium-ion (Li-ion). The first is the familiar storage battery presently in your automobile(s). The second (NiMH) is used by Toyota in their hybrid Prius and in all other present-day hybrids. The third (Li-ion) is largely in the developmental stage for automotive propulsion, although commonly used in low-power applications like laptop computers and cameras. Let's look at these three technologies
Lithium-Ion
Small lithium-ion rechargeable batteries have been used for some time in laptop computers and other small electronic devices. They have performed well, except for an embarrassing problem with Sony laptops whose Li-ion batteries displayed a tendency to burst into flame. Sony determined that there was a defective lot from a Chinese manufacturer and recalled them all at considerable expense. The defect, in fact, was inadequate provision for heat elimination, a known problem with Li-ion batteries.
The advantages of Li-ion batteries include lighter weight, twice the efficiency and higher output voltage per cell--3.2 volts versus 1.25 volts--compared to NiMH. This is, of course, a great advantage for automotive propulsion where voltages in the range of 250v-500v are required. Another factor recommending Li-ion battery technology is the fact that it utilizes no rare-earth elements like the scarce (in the U.S.) Lathanium. All materials used in these batteries are fairly common. The disadvantages include an aging problem, where capacity decreases with time regardless of usage; heat sensitivity, reducing capacity; and safety issues including overtemperature (fire hazard) and overpressure (explosion hazard). These hazards require internal safety devices, which use up space and increase weight.
While progress is being made daily, there are still major development problems in creating a practical Li-ion automobile battery pack. There is, however, a frantic effort both here and in Japan and China to solve these problems because of the very substantial advantages of this technology. However, as of this writing, significant problems remain. How soon they will be solved to the extent that Li-ion batteries become practical for hybrid/electric automotive propulsion is impossible to tell at this time due to the secrecy surrounding much of the effort. My impression is the problems are very difficult and total solution is at least two years off. For now, NiMH is the only game in town, which has a Chinese name.
The internal electrodes of the Li-ion battery consist of a graphite anode and a complex two-layer cathode of lithium cobalt oxide (LiCoO2). The electrolyte is a lithium salt in an organic solvent. In the event of overdischarge, the LiCoO2 breaks down into lithium oxide (Li2O), which is irreversible and destroys the battery. This is one of the problems with Li-ion technology. There is research underway to develop improved electrode materials, especially for the cathode.
A word about the much-ballyhooed Chevy Volt hybrid slated for production on some unspecified future date. It is a simple gas-electric hybrid with electric propulsion primary. Its yet-to-be developed plug-in rechargeable Li-ion battery pack will provide about 40 miles of all-electric operation, supposed to cover most commutes. After that, a 1.4L 4-cylinder gas engine will kick in to charge the battery via a 53KW generator, allowing further travel. The battery alone drives the wheels through an electric drive motor. There is no connection between the gas engine and the wheels.
The gas engine-powered generator is not designed to recharge the battery pack. This will be accomplished by plugging the car into a wall receptacle overnight and drawing electric power from coal-fired power plants. (O.K., maybe windmills or solar cells on your garage roof.)
Inquiring minds among my esteemed readers will have been wondering what was the reason for the long, somewhat torturous development process for the Li-ion automotive battery. The reason lies in basic chemistry, a subject somewhat lacking in the halls of Congress and the White House.
Essentially, a chemical-electric cell generates electricity as a byproduct of an electrolytic reaction between two dissimilar metals or metal analogs. The chemical reaction, which converts one constituent "metal" to another compound, produces excess electrons which flow through an external circuit, running motors, lights and stuff. The battery is discharged when the donor metal is exhausted. The cells are recharged by pumping electricity through them, reversing the reaction and reconstituting the original components.
Chemical reactions of this type typically produce heat proportional to the intensity of the reaction. Most battery cells generate in the neighborhood of 1.2 to 2.0 volts. Higher voltages are obtained by stacking cells, which is then called a battery. Your car battery consists of six-2 volt lead-acid cells, making a 12-volt battery. The lead-acid chemistry defines the 2-volt characteristic output. All lead-acid cells produce 2 volts.
The nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH) battery commonly used in hybrid automobiles produces about 1.25 volts per cell, requiring a large number to produce the typical 400 volts needed for electric automotive propulsion. The good thing is they produce little heat.
The Li-ion cell, on the other had, produces about 3.5 volts per cell, allowing for fewer cells and a smaller, lighter battery. The problem is, the more active chemical reaction that produces this higher voltage generates substantial heat. In small batteries for cell phones and laptops, dissipating this heat is not difficult. In a large automotive battery pack, it is a huge problem. Dealing with the heat problem was/is the major developmental stumbling block for the automotive Li-ion battery.
Obviously, GM thought their battery suppliers could solve the heat problem. There was a considerable shake-out of suppliers due to cost and development problems. They ended up with Li-ion cells made by LG Chem in Korea and assembled into the battery pack by GM. The pack has a sophisticated cooling system consisting of aluminum fin plates with a circulating dedicated cooling mechanism.
This is speculation, but I suspect the battery fires were caused by the crash tests disrupting the battery cooling system, resulting in a latent heat condition which raised temperatures to the flash point. I maintain this is a fragile arrangement in that the same thing obviously could occur in a relatively mild traffic accident. Personally, I wouldn't want to be anywhere hear a lithium fire. Better buy a Prius.
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95 Comments
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 6:19 AM
Here we have you rechanneling a blog from 2009! Now how good is that? Wow. No point in checking out if anything has happened in China or Japan on those batteries. BTW Don't ask Santa for any cordless tools, most new ones use this battery, and you won't want them burning down the house if you drop them.
Hemmer? Well she just reuses that Thanksgiving blog year after year. While now threadbare but still provides her with some warmth at this time of year.
And that other blogger, well his endergy consuption is so low that he just uses disguarded posts from other blogs and YouTube videos as content. Why put out when you don't need to.
I bet you could not light up a refrigerator bulb with the low level of energe seen here.
You guys are green green green!
Obama would be proud
WFB resident - Nov 30, 2011 8:38 AM
nothing but myself" ! You and yours claim to want to help others but all you do is
vote those in that help unions deport companies to other countries . Al's posting is
about the batteries in cars ! You are not able to discuss the current issue . So you
go green and reuse the old "attack,attack,attack" ! Get over it ! I am starting to
think that maybe Al's posting was over your head to understand . Al , When they
first brought out those battery cars I was wondering if they ever beat the old life
span of batteries ? For every 4 to 5 years you would need to buy a new set !
Especially in the colder climates . I think the amount of money to do so ranges
from around 5 to $10,000.00 . That is on top of the electricity used to power up
the batteries every day . Then what about the waste of battery cases ? Now I do
not believe this but the PDLS's are against oil and claim it is bad for nature or "un-
natural" (kind of like peta people complaining about killing animals but going out
for a hamburger) . If so why are they against us using it so the earth does not
have it around ? Sorry Al I am straying a little but it seems to connect for me .
This also connects why fuel cell options are limited . For they need water to
operate but what happens when a container of water freezes ? (Especially in
colder climates) . All of these so called green ideas need more time to solve the
problems . Is it really going green /beneficial to waste money and time on
producing substandard products ? How many billions are wasted with so-called
educated that will probably be solved by actual thinkers in their home workshops.
Some will say yes but what about all those starving kids ? Will they eat the Li-ion
cells ? Oh but do not worry for the PDLS's care ! lol...
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 8:50 AM
Thanks for illustrating my point so very colourfully.
MGarber - Nov 30, 2011 9:08 AM
educated that will probably be solved by actual thinkers in their home workshops. "
Im guessing zero. The days of technological breakthru comming out of a garage are fading real fast. Its the nature of the level of technology we're dealing with.
Perfecting Li-ion *IS* worth billions, BTW.
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 9:29 AM
A lot of what is "in the pipe" involves Rare Earth materials. working with this stuff requires a high level of technology especially in the area of coatings and blending. Bill Gates may tinker with it in his garage but I doubt regular Joe will have the resources to buy that equipment.
Application wise, it is a different story. Some of the biggest strides are being made in university robotics labs and that will trickle down to the person who wants to tinker at home with the consumer level of product in an application.
Some of the more interesting things happening are folks converting vintage pick up truck chassis to battery electric. The vehicle has a frame strong enough for the weight of the batteries and can be used as a commuter vehicle.
Some universities are converting their internal maintenance fleets to electric because the vehicles are captive to the campus and are near home for recharging stations. This will be accelerated in the next few years.
MGarber - Nov 30, 2011 10:58 AM
The China govmnt is setting up thousands of these over there http://hackaday.com/2011/11/27/chinese-hackerspaces-or-what-happens-when-a-government-is-run-by-engineers/ -
You're right, Al; Gates/Jobs did what they did with off-the-shelf components, and alot of software. Its all about the differences in Invention vs. Technology vs Science.
"converting vintage pick up truck chassis to battery electric."
Old hat.... My brother-in-law did that 20 years ago. He still has it, but its in its 4th "generation", and currently in pieces. He always said it boils down to battery technology.
Carl Hicks - Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM
for a hamburger) . If so why are they against us using it so the earth does not
have it around ? "
Let me give you a hint ( I can see it's needed badly)here it's un natural and a pollution source when man pumps it's out of the eath puts it through a chemical process and then burns it. Oil is not considered a pollutant when in it's natural state.
WFB resident - Nov 30, 2011 4:00 PM
they put in to the oil ? Carl that last one is nieve ! Garber and bama are you dense
? The ideas do not come from those objects . Making them happen does but the
idea is the most important part . No wonder you are in the lower 50% . Do not
worry you guys are edumacated . lol... By the way the light bulb was invented
with out light bubs being in existence . So much for your idea of components
needed to make things happen . Look at the first car . There were no parts to be
had . it was contrived in a shed . Not to mention going beyond the presernt ideas
of products in the future . Hell look at all the computers available to kids back
before Microsofts founder made it . He took from what he had and made
something new . apparently your ideas are for not . lol... How many patents do
you guys own ? I have two . and several hundred other ideas . The greatest part
is with your mentallities the patent office should just shut down . lol... You guys
made your owbn bed.
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 4:08 PM
WFB; Do a little reading before you start pulling stuff out of the air. It will make you look educated.
WFB resident - Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM
first pig iron ? All .. I will say it again ALL had a first ! and most were in what ever
people of the time lived in . But ALL were ideas first !!!! Thanks for the info since
then I started reading . Now it is time for you to start .
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb_Daimler
then who built the first engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_steam_engine
Then who produced the first pig iron
Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_iron
In all cases, these were done by engineers ( yes the Chinese had engineers even back then )
Read read read read
MGarber - Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM
Priceless!! Who writes your material?
What does bamaphd win for getting the answers right?
WFB resident - Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM
how . Have you not figured that out yet . lol... you guys are priceless .
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM
So enlighten us: what patents do you hold. I just need the number, that all.
bamaphd - Nov 30, 2011 7:04 PM
Perhaps the USA should take a pointer or two from there.
MGarber - Nov 30, 2011 8:07 PM
Well *YOU* were the one that asked who. Jeeeze. Other than that I have no idea what you're trying to say. That its all about the idea and not the actual development of the idea?? OK... Ive got ideas:
* Magnets attract and repell, right? So just arrange them on a wheel such that some are always repelling, and some are always attracting.... perpetual motion!!
* Unicorn pulled buggys. It sounds crude but since unicorns only eat moonbeams, its like free energy.
I just saved humanity.... the rest is just an implementation detail.
You're welcome.
PS. The light bulb couldnt have been invented when there werent any light bulbs around. You cant invent stuff in the dark!!
referee33 - Nov 30, 2011 8:19 PM
WFB resident - Nov 30, 2011 9:34 PM
When you find out how you get to who when where why . As for bama and his
socialist wants . Ask yourself what the scientists were offered to get them to go
up ? Now with that I am assuming that you think . But I will point you since it is
new for you . Do you think those that were the reason they went up did it only for
country ? Hopefully you think and get farther than saying yes . As for there
stopping a country a fraction the size of Mother Russia . Not to mention having far
more dead Russians than any other country fighting after the assaults . and Only
fighting from one side . What a joke your comment was .Bama those tanks you
talk about were seldom and slim the majority of Russians got wiped out by
superior tactics . You have to remember Germany was fighting many countries at
one time not just your mother Russia . lol...
Carl Hicks - Nov 30, 2011 10:04 PM
LOL you never do cease to entertain.
by the way anyhing that was invented did not exist before it was invented.....
MGarber...I thought there was only one unicorn left?
"Better buy a Prius."
Buy a Ford Fusion instead.