Recall the Recall!
OK.
The silent majority has waited and watched the tantrums of the unions, out-of-staters, Democrats, and liberals for months now.
The anti-Walker crowd doesn't like the fact that the majority of Wisconsin voters elected Scott Walker to do exactly what he is doing.
They don't like the fact that Walker required some public union workers to contribute - for the first time - a very small percentage of their own paycheck for their own benefits and retirement pensions (what a concept!). The burden of paying for all the public sector benefits and health care premiums was finally lifted a tiny bit off the shoulders of all other hard-working taxpayers of the state in the private sector. You know, those workers that pay their taxes - and then also pay a much greater percentage of their own salaries towards their own health care and must set aside their own money and save for their own retirements. Most in the private sector have no pensions of which to speak. What really is "fair" here? In all honesty, what Walker did was very fair - and long overdue.
Yet, even with the fact that Governor Walker, in one year has put Wisconsin back on track to be fiscally sound and job-friendly, there are those out there who think he needs to be recalled. He did what he said he was going to do. Most of us are quite happy with the job Walker is doing. A small percentage of the population of Wisconsin is not.
WHY?
Is there ANY logic behind this recall effort - being generated by many big unions from out-of-state, in Wisconsin, and the Obama White House. The only explanation is that the unions do not want to lose their power. By allowing people to chose whether or not they want to be in a union, unions stand to lose a lot of money in dues because their membership ranks go down. When they lose money, they lose influence. By losing union dues, they lose the ability to donate money to the Democratic Party, which in turn allows unions a great deal of power in creating a vicious cycle of soaking the taxpayers to pay for unbelievable benefits and perks. Many states are realizing they cannot afford or maintain such public employee benefits anymore - even when they raise taxes....over and over and over... The unions and the Dems had a great thing going - one hand washing the other - with little regard for the dire financial road our state was on nor any concern for those in the taxpaying private sector that were footing the bills. The gravy train has jumped off the tracks.
Wisconsin now has the distinction of being the state of the never-ending recalls. Who cares about elections anymore. Do they mean anything? Apparently not. Governor Walker, Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch, and four Republican members of the State Senate are facing possible recall elections simply because they did the job they were elected to do. They have passed legislation that many voters were in favor of and wanted enacted for years (such as Voter ID or Concealed Carry) - but the Doyle/Democratic roadblocks stood in the way. So now, the malcontents out there cannot abide by the results of an election.
For months we have watched yet another bizarre episode in Wisconsin history - people collecting recall petition signatures in various locations, attempting to remove elected officials for doing their jobs. (What is ironic in all of this is that little attention has been paid to the "fleebaggers" - those 14 Democrats who fled the state to the safe haven of Illinois to avoid doing their jobs - and received a heroes welcome by the libs in Madison upon return. What?!? Aren't things just a wee bit twisted?)
And then we have the joke of a Government Accountability Board. A Board which actually encouraged cheating on signature collecting - sign once, or twice, or more! Doesn't matter - and all names will be considered valid!!! Thankfully a judge in Waukesha ruled that the GAB does indeed have a job to do - and it consists of making sure that petition signatures are valid. (Just today (2/3/12), the Fourth District Court of Appeals (in Madison - what a surprise) overturned Judge Mac Davis's ruling stating that the GAB had to strike fake and duplicate signatures from recall petitions. So the GAB can go back to business as usual and allow any and all signatures - no matter how ridiculous - to be counted. In addition, the court ruled that recall committees could join in the lawsuit. So all bets are off again - Madison is helping out the anti-Walker crowd as expected. This recent decision will be appealed, and rightly so.)
For those interested and in need of a good laugh, recall petitions for all are now on-line and can be viewed at:
http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/default.aspx
As expected, many petitions are a mess - fake names, incomplete data, incorrect zip codes, using P.O. Boxes when street addresses are required, scribbles that are illegible, duplicates (and more) of certain names, etc.
WISN 1130 conservative talk show host Mark Belling talked about just three excellent examples of fraudulent petitions on his show (2/3/12).
The first sample petition is "A case study of a suspicious recall petition"
- please note most signatures from St. Nazianz are P.O. Boxes - including that of the petition circulator. These are not valid. Given that the petition circulator has to vouch for the validity of the signatures, and has not even followed the rules herself, the whole petition should be tossed out. (And don't the people in St. Nazianz even know their own zip code? Here's a hint: it doesn't start with a "2.")
The second sampling is: "Obvious fraud caught, look at page 16 of this link"
- First off, all the addresses are the same on the entire petition. Keep in mind that it is the petition circulators job to ensure that all signatures are valid and all people live where they say they live. With that in mind, how did E.T.'s signature slip through? There are only five signatures on this petition. #4 is a mess....followed by #5 E.T. (phone home). So the petition circulator turned this garbage in? Wonder if the GAB will toss it, since it appears that E.T. did write in an address....although it is the same as all the others on the petition...
And last, but not least comes: "Stupid Cheaters: go to page 17 of this link and look at "Debra Hoffman's" signature"
- it appears that Debra Hoffman forgot if she was a he. After printing Debra Hoffman on the petition, she signed "Wayne Hoffman" in the signature space. In addition, after looking at this page, don't all the signatures bear a fair resemblance to each other?
If the stakes weren't so high, this would really be a hoot. These petitions make for better reading and chuckles than the National Enquirer. Face it, the unionistas and other anti-Walker folks didn't care about cheating or abiding by the rules when it came to gathering honest, valid petition signatures. Many of the petition circulators had no intention of doing their jobs and making sure that people who signed gave valid information. The recall petition drive is very similar to the left's take on elections of the past: Vote early, vote often!!! However, unlike voting, these petitions - out there for all to see - are very telling in indicating how desperate and low the anti-Walker crowd is willing to go. And unlike cheating during elections, petition signatures DO have a paper trail. The people perpetuating the fraud CAN be sought out much more easily than those who committed voter fraud in the past.
I say throw out any petition that has even one discrepancy. After all, the onus is on the petition circulator to have ensured that ALL signatures on their petition are valid. If even one is not - toss the whole thing. The petition circulator did not do their job. Let the lefties cry and whine about "disenfranchising" then. Too bad. Those of us who voted Walker in are sick and tired of our votes being discounted by a group of spoiled children who cannot handle the honest results of an election. I bet most of these petitions are just garbage. I don't even think that there are 500,000 valid signatures out of the 2 million...or 1 million....or 700,000 that the anti-Walker crowd claims to have turned in.
Hopefully when all is said and done, and Walker remains as our Governor, the first order of the day will be to dismantle the Government Accountability Board. In addition, the laws should be changed to allow recalls ONLY when there is malfeasance or criminal behavior of elected officials while in office. Recalls should not be allowed simply because people are sore losers.
Recall the recall.
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53 Comments
sharpaxe - Feb 04, 2012 11:06 AM
Obviously, only time will tell if there will be a recall or not. Right this very moment, thousands upon thousands of people are entering initial petition information, creating a searchable database for Verify The Recall. The effort to enter GOVERNOR WALKER's recall info started at 6:00 p.m. last night, and they were able to establish an open line of communication with the GAB. Verify seems to have done their homework. Information will be entered numerous times, with each petition's info entered by a different person, as to eliminate any mistakes and "infiltrators". Each time a petition's info is entered, it reaches the next level of scrutiny.
It's very interesting reading people's comments, reports, and experiments some are doing as they enter data. Yes, it's early, but from what I can gather, it seems as though the average page contains anywhere from 4.8 to 5.3 signatures. They will be woefully short of the one million they claimed to have (I knew some of those boxes weren't that heavy!). If they invalidate up to 30%, well, you do the math. It's just too early though.
What amazes me, is how long this recall effort was planned, and what an utter disaster these petitions turned out to be. They've had a better part of a year to organize, give specific directions on the rules, and do this properly. Look at how many "classes" they held around the state. Maybe there was a shortage of Adderall. Were they more focused on if "enemies" took these "classes" too? Or was it an outbreak of rabies, with everyone frothing at the mouth and taking their eyes off the prize?
I wouldn't be too concerned about the over-turned court case...right now. It just means it goes back in front of Judge Davis, but now the recall folks can join the party.
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Bet the lefties never saw the "Verify the Recall" efforts coming. It is obvious they weren't prepared, as it is becoming apparent that many of the petitions are just junk. I also noticed when the television crews (happily hyping the recall efforts when reporting) showed people turning in boxes of recall petitions at the Capitol, they sure seemed easy to carry. Boxes full of paper usually cannot be toted around like a box of feathers.
And with five (or less) signatures per page - wonder how many signatures there really are? Let's say they got 1 million (and I am really going out on a limb with that figure). Half are junk. That's 500,000.
End of story.
Once this whole debacle is declared over, the Government Accountability Board should be dismantled. They have shown themselves to be nothing more than Democratic operatives - doing the bidding of the leftie recall folks. Unethical - - biased - unwilling to do their jobs - and all of them (except one) appointed by Diamond Jim Doyle.
referee33 - Feb 04, 2012 12:54 PM
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 4:33 PM
Walker stated he would balance the budget. He did. In doing so, it was very necessary to address the excessive public sector benefits/health care costs that had been funded 100% by the Wisconsin taxpayers. Walker asked for public sector employees to contribute a tiny 12.4% to their own health care premiums (half of what the private sector pays) AND to contribute 5.8% for their own pensions (money that is theirs and always will be). Not unreasonable in any sense, nor unexpected.
See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2642545/posts
And how willing were the unions, PDN? Remember Marty " "If he (Walker) wants to fight, we are not afraid to fight." As for Walker not giving a "heads up as to what his plans were, prior to becoming governor (from the same article I mention):
"If the unions would come to an agreement with the state, the Legislature would have to ratify the results before they are final. If not, they could have to deal with Walker, who says he wants to see wages and benefits of government workers more in line with the private sector."
As for Walker hiring two criminal defense attorneys - good for him. Enough of this daily dose of anti-Walker garbage we read about daily in the Urinal/Sentinel. Walker has had a target on his back since the day he took office. Lefties are out there to throw him in the slammer if the wife of a former aide of Walker's litters on the sidewalk. Give me a break. We can see through this. Nothing will come of it. And lest we forget, Walker initiated the John Doe investigation in the first place.
referee33 - Feb 04, 2012 5:01 PM
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 5:15 PM
And Georgedubyabush: You are guilty of misleading my readers. I never stated: ""The best reason for a recall is to demonstrate to politicians on both sides of the aisle they risk immediate removal for dishonesty and reckless, partisan politics." Re-read my blog. Those words came from "Recall Doyle" representatives Vince Schmuki and Orville Seymour. So please don't attribute a statement to me that I never said.
Apology accepted, GWB.
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 6:30 PM
http://mediatrackers.org/2012/02/initial-look-walker-recall-petitions-reveal-numerous-errors/
Think the anti-Walker folks will get 540,000 signatures out of this garbage to force a recall?
yert49 - Feb 04, 2012 7:09 PM
Do you realize how hard it is to get 540,000 valid signatures on any list? Honestly, I don't think they have it. I would like to charge every one of these list takers with forgery if they have been found to have perpatrated this hoax. I'm tired of taking this garbage from the left. We are just going to pound these bums right back intpo the ground! Again!
BruceSpringsteen - Feb 04, 2012 7:40 PM
1,000,000 people voted for Kloppenburg last year and you think not even half of
them will have signed a recall for Walker? Really?
I personally would have driven all the way to Superior and back, 10 times, just to
sign the recall.
I don't know how many will be invalidated, but there will be more than enough left.
More than enough.
Step out of your stupidity yert.
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 7:51 PM
Ah, the plot thickens...
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott (when commenting on anti-Walker folks in Wisconsin...just kidding! Although, on second thought....)
Carl Hicks - Feb 04, 2012 8:15 PM
Isn't that a Republican strategy?
http://www.wisdems.org/news/press/view/2011-05-gop-election-fraud-exposed
reformed trucker - Feb 04, 2012 8:42 PM
You can hire Chicago political consultants to take care of that for you:
www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0202-confidential-recall-20120202,0,6536348.column
"Part of Adelstein and Liston's job was to figure out how to turn attention away from the Democrats' flight, which many disproved of, and toward unpopular Walker policies."
BruceSpringsteen - Feb 04, 2012 9:32 PM
Would that statement not be better used to describe Walker's employment of two
criminal defense attorneys this week?
Criminal defense attorneys. The plot does indeed thicken!
yert49 - Feb 04, 2012 9:33 PM
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 9:57 PM
You wrote that I stated: "the petition circulators seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth." If you are going to quote me, GDB, please do so using the words I used. Don't "frankenstein veto" my statements.
By the way, how can Mark Belling call you when you hide behind a fake moniker? :)
Why don't you call his talk show and tell all his listeners how you made sure that the five or six signatures you collected on your recall petition are valid???
ahemmer - Feb 04, 2012 9:59 PM
"As for Walker hiring two criminal defense attorneys - good for him. Enough of this daily dose of anti-Walker garbage we read about daily in the Urinal/Sentinel. Walker has had a target on his back since the day he took office. Lefties are out there to throw him in the slammer if the wife of a former aide of Walker's litters on the sidewalk. Give me a break. We can see through this. Nothing will come of it. And lest we forget, Walker initiated the John Doe investigation in the first place."
BruceSpringsteen - Feb 05, 2012 7:04 AM
investigation in an effort to insulate himself from it? IE: put the focus on someone
else and thus attempt to hide his involvement? Really?
Did you not see the email exchanges between Walker and his top aide which were
disclosed under open records law? You know, the one where he says, "we cannot
afford anymore of this stuff..."
C'mon - don't stoop to the stupidity level of yert, you're a school/educational leader!
sharpaxe - Feb 05, 2012 8:22 AM
I, for one, will concede to you it is more of a grassroots effort than anything else. Will you, in turn, admit that our effort is as well? If not, that speaks volumes about your ability to logically debate this issue moving forward. We already know you think we're nuts and vice-versa, so we can remove that argument right out of the gate.
Pierre - Can you honestly say the left would've been fine with EVERYTHING except for collective bargaining? Come on, they admitted that AFTER the ball was rolling. Who do you think you're trying to kid? We already had massive job cuts on the horizon, furlough days up the wazoo, amongst other drastic measures, and you want us to believe you'd have been fine with all that? Get real. It was a no-win situation from the moment GOVERNOR WALKER took office. It was a hard decision, no doubt. At least he stood up and made one, and from what it looks like as of now, there are WAY more positives than negatives.
ahemmer - Feb 05, 2012 10:01 AM
Contrast this with a little thing known as "Fast and Furious" - an gun-running operation begun by Obama & Co. that ended up with the murder of a DEA agent. Involving the United States passing out guns to Mexican drug cartels. According to Attorney General Eric Holder, whomever approved this botched program has yet to be determined!?! Yet, doesn't "Fast and Furious," after one or two stories in the news, seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? Again, nothing to see - move along.
But - we in Wisconsin MUST find out who sent a few e-mails out on taxpayer time!!! Ah, the saga continues. On one hand, a man lost his life in a absurd "give guns to drug cartels" program approved by the Obama Administration, on the other, a few people may have gone back and forth with campaign e-mails. Yet, the media cannot get enough of.....e-mailgate???
ahemmer - Feb 05, 2012 2:16 PM
And GWB: Plenty of politicians do occasionally slip up and send e-mails out on campaign stuff than official business. It's one of those grey areas that many public officials deal with. Do you maybe, just maybe, think that some Democrats may have done so in the past, too? And never gotten caught? Could the reason be that the press is more prone to going after Republican indiscretions than those committed by Democrats? Think it might be a possibility? I do.
The other point I am trying to make, which you appear to gloss over, is that the John Doe has spun out of control and is now attempting no matter what to somehow link Walker to anything - just anything in regards to misconduct. I believe they will find nothing, no matter how hard they try. Oops - maybe Walker's wife drove for a few blocks without her seat belt on - throw the book at her! Or maybe one of Walker's sons was caught chewing gum in class - go after Walker for that one and being an example of a poor parent!!! The left is just fishing - and it is obvious.