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I Said What?! (Don't Worry, My Old Views Are Still Here Too)
Tonight I decided to turn on the TV and watch the gubernatorial debate. Man, that was a horrible decision.
I saw one thing, and one thing only: Walker refused to answer any questions asked of him this evening.
Many of them were simple, such as: “Why are you so proud of gaining 23,000 jobs in the last year when that number is still the lowest in the entire Midwest?” or “Why do you have a legal defense fund set up for you if you claim you are under investigation?” I mean, those are pretty simple questions. At least give us somewhat of an answer, like most politicians. Instead, he refused to answer the questions and spun his responses onto totally different topics. When the moderator tried to get Walker back on track multiple times, he still refused.
Governor Walker, answer the questions asked of you by the people you govern.
This concept was made clear in the debate tonight. Ever since he took office, Walker has attacked, attacked, and attacked again people that don’t agree with him. If anyone wants to refute this claim, go take a drive on highway I-94. For those who already have taken the journey from Madison to Milwaukee on this route, I’m sure you know what I’m talking about: the billboard that reads “Weapons of Mass Destruction? Crazy Liberals!” with the picture of a Looney Tune-like character looking like he’s on acid. This says one thing to me: people, probably Tea Party zealots, are so desperate into ramming through the idea that liberals are evil people that they have to put up a pathetic sign like that on a major highway. How childish is it to do something like that? And, may I point out, I don’t see any liberal billboards like that around anywhere in this state.
And that brings me to a conclusion I have made over the past few months: people on the left might not always be right, but they do not (in general- yes, people like Nancy Pelosi do this, but there are ten times as many people on the left who don’t) demonize people like conservatives do. Take this website for example. I have not met a conservative commenter who has not attacked liberals and called them uniformly “evil and the slime of the earth” (WFB is a prime example. Why do you refuse to call Democrats Democrats and instead only call them Dumocrats?). While there are liberal commenters who have also done the same thing and attacked conservative commenters and launched personal attacks, there are also a few who refuse to participate in petty name-calling. But, looking at the bigger picture, the Tea Party is the point that I am trying to get at here. I want to compare the Tea Party to another certain group that shared many of their same beliefs (hint for history buffs: I’m referring to a foreign state-run group that was active during the first time Czechoslovakia ceased to exist), but I don’t want to get that extreme. Tea Party members demonize everyone that is different from them, and if you don’t have the exact same views as them, you’re “American-hating socialists” or “don’t love the American flag and hate everything this country stands for!” If someone can find a Tea Party member that doesn’t fit this description, I would love to meet him or her. I want to respect Tea Party people and their views, but when all you do is preach hate and have no respect for people who don’t share your exact views, that irks me. It basically boils down to an issue of respect: you don’t respect me, don’t expect to get it back from me. Doesn’t that go along with what the Golden Rule says? The biggest fact that pisses me off with these people though is the fact that they call Obama and all other liberals Socialists, yet some of them survive only because of Socialist policies! What programs am I talking about you say? Social Security and Medicare. Those two policies are the epitome of socialist ideas, yet, if someone were to try to repeal the programs and get rid of them, all of America, including Tea Partiers, would cause riots and say the government was launching massive attacks on their rights. Sooooo many of these Tea Party people will need massive help with their health care bills later on life, and they will have no problem with paying for that through Medicare. So they can protest against Obama all they want, but if he were to truly take their advice, their medical bills would be getting a lot more expensive.
(I want to clarify something: I am not saying all Tea Party people are wrong in their view points or evil, as I even have some Tea Party-supporting friends who have some views that I can sympathize with (I know, right?!?!? Me, friends with a Tea Partier?!? You don’t say!). I also am not saying that all liberals are perfect and never demonize people who have different views from them. Nancy Pelosi is a perfect example of that—I can’t stand that woman and her personal, petty attacks on many people. But, when you boil it down, I truly do believe that, when you compare the Tea Party and their followers with left-leaning people, the Tea Party causes civil war to break out. When Jim Doyle was governor, you didn’t have neighbors all of a sudden hating each other because of their political views.)
To further the case that the far right and Scott Walker’s camp also love to launch petty personal attacks beyond normal personal attacks, just look at the new ad he’s running that basically says “Tom Barrett condones baby beating because he let “his” police force misreport all kinds of violent crimes, such as people who beat and kill babies.” How can you justify running an ad like that? It’s like Willie Horton version 2012. It’s a simple, petty, outrageous, and frankly disgusting parallel to draw, and if anyone wants to disagree with me on that, fine, your choice. I question your morals though if you do. Tom Barrett does not condone baby beating and murder and all that. No one who is legally sane would condone that, yet Walker is trying to say Barrett does. Come on people, how is that even allowed to fly in today’s society? How is Walker able to make that claim without massive backlash from the general public?
I’d also like to ask Walker supporters to justify this: why does Scott Walker claim he is not under criminal investigation, yet he has a criminal defense fund set up for him (likely by the Koch brothers)? Why else does anyone need a criminal defense fund if they aren’t under investigation? I can understand businesses having this in order to fully combat phony lawsuits and all that, but the governor of Wisconsin does not need a defense fund unless he is being investigated. It’s common sense. Anyone want to explain to me why Walker is still trying to get people to believe this? (Mark my words: he’ll end up having to resign like Tricky Dick Nixon did.)
Switching to another angle, I wish this recall had never happened. I wish Scott Walker had not gotten recalled, and I wish he would have been able to serve until 2014 without facing another election (I think he should be able to serve out his whole term, and then we can fully gauge how much he has damaged this state that I have grown to call home). I am so adamant in this view that I didn’t even sign the recall petition because I think this is a waste of time and a way to further fuel the Civil War that is engulfing Wisconsin right now.
Yes, you just read that right: I do not support the recall effort against Walker with my whole heart, and I’ll tell you why. Point blank, Walker will win the recall election next Tuesday. However, he won’t win for the reasons that he’ll claim he won. Walker will claim that his win is a mandate from the people, that Wisconsin has spoken and loves him and trusts him to keep running the state. That is all bullcrap-- he’ll win because he has created such a cult of followers around him that they will come out in flocks to vote for him when compared to his opponent’s supporters. Democrats aren’t fired up enough by Tom Barrett, and he will lose because of this. It’s that simple—Walker will win only because his supporters are much more pumped up and excited about keeping him in office when compared to Barrett’s supporters. And this is why I’m pissed off that the recall happened: Walker will basically claim that this is a sign from God about how he is the anointed one to lead Wisconsin out of the Dark Times. And that is dead wrong. The people of Wisconsin that don’t support him simply won’t come out and vote against him because a lot of them are “meh” with who is running against him (still confused why Feingold didn’t run), and that is the only reason he will win next Tuesday. The win will then give he and Tea Party fanatics across the country momentum that I’d rather them not have, and it could hurt come November. On top of that, I’m just kind of pissed off enough to the point that I think people that have “voter’s remorse” because they voted for him and then got screwed over by his policies should have to deal with their choice. You voted for Walker and then got screwed over?! Well that sucks—deal with it! I know that’s a very pessimistic and pissy attitude, but they made their choice and they should have to deal with it for the next 2.5 years. Launching a recall is a petty way to get what they want—deal with your choices and embrace them. Don’t complain that you’re mad because you got blindsided—you’re problem, and yours alone.
I think I’ve said enough for this blog post. I’ve said the majority of what I wanted, and I’m sure certain commenters will have a heyday with this post. But that’s fine with me. At least it’s initiating conversation. And with that, I have simple requests with comments made here: don’t launch personal attacks against other people, don’t call other people stupid or “dumocrats” or whatever, and stay on the topic of this post. With that, thanks for reading and respecting my views, even if we happen to disagree.
P.S. Don't call me a liberal, because I am not a liberal. I am a person with both left and right-wing views and policies, but I tend to agree more with left-wing views and policies. And yes, that position can exist. If anyone wants to discuss with me my personal views, left or right, let me know and I can either publish a separate blog post detailing my views on many of today's issues or e-mail me directly.
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47 Comments
Carl Hicks - May 31, 2012 11:56 PM
swallowing the rights bait hook line and sinker is not a hardcore liberal.
It is a with us or against us mentality,which is if course undemocratic and
unamerican as that is not how politics are supposed to work in this country.
Sparke - Jun 01, 2012 12:04 AM
Mucho - Jun 01, 2012 1:29 AM
legally sane would condone that." - Andy
Tom Barrett is as pro-abortion as they come and has publicly supported the status quo
"any time, any term, any reason" public funding for "baby murder". Walker showed too
much restraint for not hitting that softball out of the park tonight when Barrett whined
about being called out in an ad for lying to cover up his bogus crime stats.
I share your disdain for the recall and agree with you that an election without a
candidate has left many democrats disappointed.
I agree with your analysis of his lack of sanity in this position.
geno53151 - Jun 01, 2012 8:53 AM
MGarber - Jun 01, 2012 10:15 AM
Well... its called conversation, and its why we're here (unless its just to spew).
Nice writing Andy; a little wordy, but fine.
I support what you're saying about absolutist views.
(SarcasmOn) As we're often told, sometimes we have to get away from the the lamestream media to get something fair-and-balanced, which is why I like to go to Breitbart (http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/06/01/breitbarts-obama-derangement-syndrome/) (SarcasmOff).
For the record, I'll be voting for Walker, but you're right about him last night - he stunk.
Mucho - Jun 01, 2012 10:22 AM
True - only if you are only doing what you are told OR you are not open minded.
If there is an opportunity for you to provide one additional person something factual to consider that may compel them to vote for Walker, I suggest you take it. I certainly have found several misinformed people out there today that appreciate me and the Journal telling them that Barrett LIED ABOUT CRIME STATS again last night during the debate.
Barrett said that he never had someone on his staff/aide arrested. LIE. Two different people (one board member, one aide), three felony convictions, 2 violent crimes, one fraud in the past couple years alone. More to follow....
If Barrett changed 10 people's minds by his statement last night, the fact that it was a total lie (again about crime) should be enough to change those 10+ 100 more votes to keep WI moving forward with Walker.
Krusty 09 - Jun 01, 2012 2:36 PM
Who has ever proposed getting rid of these 2 programs? Restructuring them so they are sustainable for future (and current) generations has been proposed. What is wrong with that?
yert49 - Jun 01, 2012 2:44 PM
I'm glad your starting to see the light. But don't forget your side started this fight by not accepting the results of the last election. As much as I could not stand Doyle, I would not even have thought about signing a recall petition over policy issues.
I hope someday your lucky enough to becomea business owner and can experience first hand what we have to go through. You'll never know until you experience it. Until then, we'll listen to your tripe. But seriously, your not very persuasive or effective.
WFB resident - Jun 01, 2012 2:55 PM
You guys on the PDLS side are so brain washed ! lol... GGGOOOOO Walker !!
achieve1 - Jun 01, 2012 3:00 PM
“You know, for a hundred years now, people have looked to Wisconsin from all over this country, to see a place of small towns and vibrant cities; to see a place of farmers and factory workers and small business people; to see a place where there were vigorous political debates, closely held elections — and then people got together and figured out what the heck to do.
“And now they look at Wisconsin, and they see America’s battleground between people who want to work together to solve problems, and people who want to divide and conquer — people who know that creative cooperation is working in America, and people who want constant conflict.
“And here’s what I want to tell you. Tom was kind enough to say this in his introduction — I think I know a little bit about what would bring America back, what would bring economic recovery, what would enable us to have broadly shared prosperity. And I’ll tell you, if you go anywhere in America today, believe it or not, there are a lot of places that are already back. And they all have one thing in common. They’re dramatically different, but they all have one thing in common: They are involved in creative cooperation, not constant conflict.”
Andy_Kristensen - Jun 01, 2012 3:57 PM
are. Walker is the best job creator in the whole USA? Man, you couldn't be farther
off from the truth. With his supposed 23,000 added jobs, even if that is the
complete and final number, the tally ranks as the LOWEST number of jobs added
in the entire Midwest in the last year. Even Iowa and Illinois gained more jobs
than we did in the last year. So keep thinking Walker is some God to be reckoned
with. Thanks for proving the point of my post.
And yert- thanks for the compliment! If you keep reading my stuff, it's obviously
for a reason.
WFB resident - Jun 01, 2012 4:17 PM
have left is a just over 1% unemployment under Walker ! So the killing factor for
Walker is Barretts City !! Look out up ! lol... Matter of fact look up where all the job
losses are ? Yep Barrett again !! Funny how that works huh ? lol...
WFB resident - Jun 01, 2012 4:17 PM
you have left is a just over 1% unemployment under Walker ! So the killing factor for
Walker is Barretts City !! Look out up ! lol... Matter of fact look up where all the job
losses are ? Yep Barrett again !! Funny how that works huh ? lol...
Mucho - Jun 01, 2012 4:49 PM
Fiddle farting around catering to the special interests and Unions first has had the taxpayers in WI in the back seat for the past 10 years.
In the debate, Walker concisely articulated why the budget situation and the 2000+ independent negotiating bodies in the State needed one universal tool to synchronize the effort. That is leadership moving forward.
jhayett - Jun 01, 2012 8:03 PM
WFB resident - Jun 01, 2012 10:14 PM
Barrett burdened our state with ! Remember Barrett is opposing Walker . So
Barretts record should stand on its own not as a Walker problem !! lol...
WFB resident - Jun 01, 2012 10:41 PM
GGOOOOO! Walker !!
Bernie Ziebart - Jun 01, 2012 10:46 PM
I detested most of Doyle's policies, but I did not act like a petulant 6 month child and throw an obnoxious temper tantrum. The left in this state is emotionally immature.
I just about choked at your self-proclamation of not being a liberal. I might as well claim middle of the road status.
Timotheus - Jun 01, 2012 11:30 PM
The rights of the minority don’t exist because we have a democracy; rather the rights of the minority exist because we don’t have a democracy. This may seem like simply word play, but it carries with it huge consequences. A true democracy is tyranny of the majority and for that reason our founders gave us a constitutional republic in which we were to elect some of our representatives democratically. Our founders actually loathed democratic government because they knew it was the same tyranny they had just defeated.
It is a bit ironic, that you find offense to a billboard and others that use spiteful rhetoric, but is that not what the comparison to the Nazis is? Are there actually some logical similarities that exist between the Tea party and the Nazis, besides a bit of nationalism that you could point out or did you not want to get that extreme?
I disagree with your premise though that somehow the Tea party folks are the ones that caused the ‘divide’ in the state. You admit yourself we didn’t have this in your face division when Doyle was in office, there were no marches on the capital, no obnoxious endless recall elections, no fleeing the state, none of that. Do you expect us to believe that somehow after Scott Walkers win Wisconsinites suddenly had an ideological epiphany causing us to turn on our neighbors?
jhayett - Jun 02, 2012 8:29 AM