Is traditional America gone for good?
Conservative television host, author, and political commentator Bill O'Reilly recently spoke about the changing landscape of the nation during the "talking point" segment on his show. While O'Reilly paints a rather bleak - and realistic - portrait of the current state of the country, there are small glimmers of hope for the future. We can - and must - do better as conservatives and Republicans to address the real threats to our country. We do need strong leaders in the political arena to get the message out. We need leaders who will not back down, who will tell the truth to the public no matter how painful, and call out those who wish to lead America on a downward spiral towards socialism. We need real leaders with real backbones.
We must not give up the fight. Too much is at stake. We need to re-group and be ready for 2014 and 2016 - the first opportunities we will have to try to salvage what is left of the America our forefathers envisioned. (Per O'Reilly's own website, feel free to share and pass this on to as many friends, relatives, neighbors, acquaintances, etc. as you wish.)
Is traditional America gone for good? by Bill O'Reilly (11/12/2012)
I believe traditional America can come back but it will take a very special person to make that happen.
Let's look at what happened six days ago. President Obama received about 62 million votes; 11 percent less than he got in 2008. So he's slipping in popularity. Mitt Romney ended up with 3.3 million fewer votes than the President, close but Romney got two percent fewer votes than McCain garnered in 2008. By any measure, a poor performance for Governor Romney. Remember, McCain was running right into a recession.
So it's more about Romney's failure to build on McCain's vote than Obama doing anything. A stronger candidate would have defeated the President. Mr. Obama won the woman vote, blacks and Asians. But it was the Hispanic vote that really nailed Romney; 71 percent of Latinos voted for the President. And that was the difference in Florida, Virginia, Colorado and Nevada. Other states were impacted as well.
Romney took white males and Independents by significant margins. But when you bunch it all up together, when you bunch it up, it was an entitlement vote this year. American families earning less than $30,000 a year broke big for the President; 62 percent to 35 percent. So it's clear that left-wing ideology did not win the day for Barack Obama, big spending on federal programs did.
That's the key. Because many in the media would have us believe that liberal ideology was confirmed by this election. It was not. However... however, secularism is certainly eroding traditional power. No question about it. Those Americans who attend religious services at least once a week voted for Romney 59-39, the problem is church going is on the decline in this country.
Here's an example. Despite the President's controversial insistence that some Catholic entities provide birth control and morning after pills, Catholics supported Obama 50 percent to 48 percent down from 2008 but still a surprise to some.
But only about 30 percent of American Catholics now attend weekly mass. So you can see the impact of creeping secularism on the religious vote. On paper, the stats look hopeless for traditional Americans. But they can be reversed. However, it will take a very special politician to do that.
By the way, Mitt Romney didn't even try to marginalize secularism. He basically ignored it. A mistake because President Obama is the poster guy for the secular progressive movement. The key question going forward is the secular progressive movement good for Americans no matter what their ethnicity or economic condition and the answer is no.
Three vivid examples. Secular progressives champion a do-your-own- thing philosophy. No judgments about personal behavior are allowed in that arena. The public school system has adopted that philosophy. And that's now wreaking havoc on American society.
In 2010, about 41 percent of American babies were born out of wedlock. That's up eight percentage points since 2000 and up an astounding 23 percentage points since 1980. Babies born to unmarried women drive poverty, every study shows that and American minority groups are the most affected.
In 2010, 73 percent of black babies were born outside of marriage; 53 of Hispanic babies were. The number was 29 percent for white babies. So the cycle continues. Minorities are more affected by poverty because the traditional family unit has broken down in those precincts. And rather than trying to reverse that, secular progressives want more entitlement spending. Nothing about changing libertine attitudes.
On the abortion front, same thing; rather than trying to discourage taking the lives of millions of fetuses, the secular progressives have created a mythical "war on women" screaming that so-called reproductive rights are under assault. The abortion zealots want the procedure on demand, no matter how late term. And are stridently opposed to even counseling before this life- ending procedure is undertaken.
Abortion is settled law in the USA but it should be discouraged because human DNA is present upon conception. Thus, the situation becomes a human rights issue. Ask yourself this question, should America be a country where potential human life, an undeniable fact after conception, is terminated for convenience... for convenience? Is that the kind of country we want?
And the federal government is going to demand that citizens who oppose abortion pay for it? What say you Planned Parenthood?
Finally, two states Washington and Colorado voted to legalize pot. Here are the grim stats on this idiocy. Since 2008, teenage pot use up 40 percent and heavy use for teens has increased 80 percent. States that have lenient medical marijuana laws driving those stats, why? Because legalizing pot sends a message that it's fine to use it and getting the drug at the corner pot shop makes it readily available to anyone. Ask any drug counselor. And he or she will tell you once a child is introduced to intoxicants that child's life changes for the worse.
Some may not become substance-involved but millions will. Do we want to encourage that? The secular progressives, they don't care about addiction. They don't want limitations on so-called private behavior. No judgments. If you want to smoke drugs? Fine. If you want to abort a fetus? We'll drive you to the clinic. You want to have a kid when you're 16, no problem at all, we'll support you.
If Mitt Romney spelled that out, what the secular progressive movement is really all about in strong vivid terms and how President Obama enables that, Romney would not have lost 71 percent of the Hispanic vote. I can tell you. I believe the majority of Americans can be persuaded that the far left is a dangerous outfit bent on destroying traditional America and replacing it with a social free fire zone that drives dependency and poverty.
We the people need to be confronted with the reality of our situation. But so many of our politicians are cowardly that the truth is rarely heard. Well, tonight you heard it. And maybe four years from now, what's really at stake in America will finally be heard loud and clear.
And that's "The Memo."
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82 Comments
jman99 - Nov 14, 2012 9:32 AM
Old Bill, is past his prime. Four years of Dissing the left and Obama have come to naught. It can't be his fault and he takes no responsibility for the Republican loss, it must be the fault of the blind electorate.
The thing is that people bring their traditions with them from where they come and they transplant them here. There is no "traditional America" that is older than the last new great thing.
What the right wants to do is to create a "traditional America' in their own image and likeness, based on values only they share, but want to impose on all.
That's not traditionalism, that's a form of Nationalism, that defines those who belong and those who don't.
This is not what the founders envisioned. They envisioned a shining city on a hill where all could come and do their best without prejudgement or preclusion of opportunity.
They did not envision some glitzed up place like Vegas where the few hold all the odds in their favour and fleece the many, who are required to conform to the rules of the Vegas games that the right keeps trying to sell, so they can get ahead at the expense of others.
MGarber - Nov 14, 2012 9:59 AM
When Al Hamilton dedicated ourselves to being a industrial factor, we gave up the traditional agricultural focus.
When Lincoln united the country we gave up the traditional acceptance of slavery.
When women became equals, we gave up traditional patriarchy.
Newspapers and radio are going the way of the buggywhip.
Waltzes were replaced by foxtrot was replaced by jazz was replaced by swing was replaced by rock was replaced by hiphop.
Traditions are dying off every day, and they always have been.
And good riddance (for the most part).
Mucho - Nov 14, 2012 12:46 PM
Thank you jmann for so articulately expressing your complete ignorance about the values of conservatives. Vegas? That is your analogy for the right? Prostitution, libations and immorality is how the Left is typically portrayed.
As people continue to be subjogated by federal mandates they become more dependent on the very government that rations their sustenance. The Left is empowered by those they enslave. It is a path that all democracies fall prey to. The Right is just trying to get Obama's foot off the gas.
VoicesOfAuthority - Nov 14, 2012 1:07 PM
“The white establishment is now the minority,” O'Reilly said. “And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama's way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”
“The demographics are changing,” he said. “It’s not a traditional America anymore.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/bill-oreilly-the-white-establishment-is-now-the-minority-148705.html
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More code for whining that America is less white than before.
Traditional America = White America
An example of continuing 'dog whistle' racism against people whose skin color is too uncomfortably brown for Republicans.
geno53151 - Nov 14, 2012 1:14 PM
I think yuo got it wrong. I will correct you..
Old Obama, is past his prime. Four years of Dissing the Right and Republicans will continue for 4 more years. It can't be his fault and he takes no responsibility for any of his failures.
Please list where he has taken responsibility for things his administration has screwed up. It's everyone elses fault but his. His underlings even keep important things from things as president he should have been aware of. Like Sargent Schultz of Hogans Heros, he knows and sees nothing about anything.
Benghazi under attack, not informed. Stand down decision, not informed. Petraeus investigation, not informed. Etc, Etc, Etc.
ahemmer - Nov 14, 2012 1:33 PM
By traditional, O'Reilly clearly reflects on religion, the family , and moral values. For example, O'Reilly writes about births out of wedlock. Did either of you notice how many babies in the U.S. are born out of wedlock? How this trend is not tapering off, but rising? Do either of you find that to be a good thing? I don't. As O'Reilly clearly points out, trying to raise a child (or children) as a single parent is a recipe for poverty. And this affects minorities much more so than whites.
Abortion is another issue - many in our society have become numb to taking the lives of the unborn, and many champion the ability to kill the unborn.
Obama's America is NOT the traditional Constitutional Republic our country once was.
And jman99 and MGarber, if you think that a "free for all" society, full of people who are willing to make the government their family - dependent upon it for their very lives - is a good thing, that is pretty sad. At least half the country has shown it will resist this dangerous path we are on, although with Obama having been given a free pass to do whatever he wants - I'd say the Constitution just died this past 11/6 - our country is in sad shape and the worst is yet to come.
jman99 - Nov 14, 2012 1:42 PM
VoicesOfAuthority - Nov 14, 2012 1:43 PM
"By traditional, O'Reilly clearly reflects on religion, the family , and moral values."
Wrong.
By his mention of 'tradition', O'Reilly clearly equates a white minority as being non traditional. Couch it in 'family', 'religion', and 'morals' all you wish. O'Reilly refers back to 'demographics' changing and he's not talking about religion, family or morals.
'Traditional' demographics had white people in control and the lessening/loss of that control factor and influence is deeply disturbing to many Republicans.
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 1:45 PM
During times of severe economic stress such as wars and the Great Depression, we used to be a nation that rationed our food so that other people could eat. We used to love government-provided jobs that rose every citizen to a level where the American dream became a home and automobile, and the cover of Life Magazine was that of a government worker going off to his job waving goodbye to his kids. We encouraged the buying of government bonds, not because they were safe bets, but because the government needed money and patriotic Americans freely gave that money in troubled economic times.
The Republican platform of 1956 was to "further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers,handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers; assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex; provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment; and to provide the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively."
The Republican party of 2012 voted down equal pay for women, campaigned against Unions, marginalized minorities with voting regulations, and stripped unemployment and welfare for the most needy among us.
Give me back my traditional America!!! Take it back from the Republicans!
MGarber - Nov 14, 2012 2:23 PM
How hard would it be to sell what used to be the epitomy of patriotic activity to the american people right now?
Would the people who now claim to be the most patriotic complain the loudest? I suspect so.
Mucho - Nov 14, 2012 3:21 PM
"We are the party of maximum economic freedom and the prosperity freedom makes possible. Prosperity is the product of self-discipline, work, savings, and investment by individual Americans, but it is not an end in itself. Prosperity provides the means by which individuals and families can maintain their independence from government, raise their children by their own values, practice their faith, and build communities of self-reliant neighbors. It is also the means by which the United States is able to assert global leadership. The vigor of our economy makes possible our military strength and is critical to our national security."
Obama has put in 4 years against that platform and came out of the gates this week just as dedicated to keep his anti-capitalist, anti-independence, anti-military, anti-family policies in place.
http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Restoring/
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 3:41 PM
The party platform of 1956 tells you specifically which areas they will target, which groups of people they most want to help, and what programs they will work on. The traditional Republicans were doers, not dreamers. And traditional Americans helped other Americans, even if they had to ration, even if they had to buy bonds to help this country out of an economic hole.
And the only thing the Republicans did the last four years is obstruction. As the Republicans have publicly stated, their number 1 goal is to make Obama a one term President. The Republicans only dream of doing things like putting dozens of bills they know will never pass to a Congressional vote. Republicans can never pass bills unless they negotiated first. But dumb Republicans will take that as a sign that they actually tried passing bills.
ahemmer - Nov 14, 2012 3:52 PM
The Republicans of today ARE doer's. Look at Scott Walker and all he has accomplished in our own state (only to have liberal activist Madison judges "obstruct" actual legislation). Balancing a budget and restoring fiscal responsibility. Something Washington D.C. under Obama has no plans of doing.
Too bad the Dems of today ARE destroyers. Destroyers of the family. Destroyers of personal responsibility. Destroyers of the American dream. The only "doing" the Dems are capable of is making the masses dependent upon govrernment. And under Obama, they are "doing" a very good job of it.
(By the way, leftfield, educate yourself in regards to "equal pay." For almost 50 years now, our country has the protection of two laws requiring equal pay. The 1963 Equal Pay Act and Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act are in place to ensure equal pay for equal work to all. The current "Lilly Ledbetter" act was NOT about "equal pay." See:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203406404578070970214587846.html
So the Dems painted a picture - untrue - of Republicans "blocking" an equal pay law. Not true. Not true at all. This was about the statute of limitations and how the statute is calculated. Big diff.)
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 4:20 PM
And Scott Walker promised 250,000 jobs by his first term. Since he took office, Wisconsin lost more than 80,000 jobs so far. All he has been doing is battling Unions with taxpayer money, and a court recently ruled all Unions must be reinstated. So basically, he spent taxpayer money on nothing.
So far, everything the Republicans have done is help the rich hoard over $3 trillion in cash while the middle class suffers. And they intend on making the middle class suffer more by removing the payroll tax and mortgage deductions to keep their upper class tax cuts at the lowest level in six decades.
Traditional Republicans in the past passed massive government work bills to get middle class people back to work. They were the first to bring bills of equal pay to Congress.
Today's Republicans only want to undo everything traditional Republicans did.
I want my traditional America back where every American helped every other American.
Mucho - Nov 14, 2012 5:03 PM
More humorous that your affimration in Obama's lack of leadership skills is your statement "I want my traditional America back where every American helped every other American".
The Left laughed at George HW Bush's "Thousand Points of Light" comment where he called for just that. OBama's "every American" = "Top two percent" and "every other American" = those put out of work by higher taxes and failed economic policies of the past 4 years.
Time will tell if you and the OBama faithful will still be blaming Bush in 2016. A leader like OBama, gives you little else to hope for.
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 5:23 PM
to deny republicans have only obstructed everything in
congress rather than doing something for America. But I
guess that there is no defense for that.
You also don't deny that republicans used to help the
middle class rather than hurt them. But again, there's
probably no defense for that.
So I'll just say this: I'm quite thankful that the majority of
American want to work together rather than obstruct.
Hopefully, the republicans will see the overwhelming
victory as a sign they should work for America rather
than against it.
WFB resident - Nov 14, 2012 5:48 PM
the Republicans get back the Presidency (yes they will) Will you say that the
democrats should do what ever the Republican President wants ? If not is that not
obstructionist ? Walker won the Governors seat 2 times !!! The second time with
more votes , The judge is obstructing ! Will you and the other Dumocrats tell the
judge to stop it ? lol... They are just obstructing !!
ahemmer - Nov 14, 2012 5:58 PM
The cries from the left, painting Republicans as racist, homophobe, cold-hearted, mean-spirited, hate-filled old white men is a lie. A big whopper. But one that has been told over and over and over by the left (including Obama in not quite as specific terms, but he works his magic every time he opens his mouth to keep this country very divided - just the way he wants it).
I also disagree that the Republicans are "obstructionists." The Dems want legislation passed that is not in the best interests of the country as a whole, but for the best interests of select groups. This is dangerous as well as selfish.
But I digress. Back to your "middle class" remark. Obama is now calling for even more taxes than originally proposed (funny how stuff this clown says before an election change into something else after re-election). Taxes will hurt all - especially the middle class. Obama also targets mowing down jobs that would help the middle class (Keystone pipeline anyone? Think this will ever come to reality? Again, Obama said so before the election, lets see what happens now. Don't hold your breath.) Obama also wants to kill the mining and oil industries. Think that will be good for the middle class? And lest we forget, we've got a whopper of an entitlement program about to hit - Obamacare - which in all its glory is going to rob every American of their hard-earned dollars to pay for yet another unsustainable entitlement program. Does Obama even care if Obamacare can work? Nah. He just wants the government to control more aspects of the lives of the masses. The sad part is, people like you and other Obama followers continue to nod your heads and follow the leader without question. So sad. So sad for all Americans.
ahemmer - Nov 14, 2012 6:03 PM
Remember this gem: ""Today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office," Obama said. "Now, this will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we've long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."
WOW - what an about-face on this "promise." Obama is leaving our children, and our children's children, a bigger deficit than any of us ever imagined. And it will get even bigger in the four years to come, cuz this guy and his Dem pals only know how to spend, spend, spend.
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 6:27 PM
The Dems only had control of Congress for about four months because of successful Republican obstructionism. And in those four months, all the Democrats could really do is settle down and read their bills before Republicans got filibuster control again in 2010. It's an extreme shame that Obama did not ram his health care bill through with the public option when he had full control. Since the health care bill was passed when Republicans had filibuster control, it meant that they were able to strip the public option, and remove many price controls against big pharma.
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 6:35 PM
The US credit agency downgraded America's credit, leading to less small businesses starting, leading to fewer jobs created, leading to more unemployment for a period of nine months directly attributable to the Republican obstructionism.
And Obama's promise he tried his hardest to keep. You can tell when he keeps reminding the Republicans that their obstruction to all of his bills will hurt the American people, and the Republicans will not listen because of their pact with Grover Norquist to not raise taxes on the rich.
The Republicans care so much more about their rich "job creators" (who have not created jobs, but rather horde money in the tune of $3 trillion dollars cash), than about the middle class. Newt Gingrich even laughed about the 20 billionaires they had working for the Republicans but lamenting how they could not help against the middle class support that Obama had.
ahemmer - Nov 14, 2012 6:36 PM
This is the Obama "transparent" government? Give me a break. The Dems are shameless. They use the Constitution as a mat on which to wipe their feet. In their eyes - and Obama's - the Constitution is a hindrance. The real "obstacle" to all their nefarious socialist plans. And so what if the Republicans - being in the minority - try every way possible to adhere to the Constitution and make the Dems follow the rules (although that seems to be an impossible task). They are doing the "right" thing. We have a president who could care less about the Consititution and that should scare anyone who truly believes in this country.
Leftfield - Nov 14, 2012 6:47 PM
And the Constitution? It was the Republican appointee, Roberts, that decided that Obamacare was Constitutional. Obamacare originated from a Republican idea, and was supported by a Republican appointee.
Unless you think Republicans screwed the country yet again by appointing Roberts? Wow, Republicans suck bad.
WFB resident - Nov 14, 2012 7:14 PM
WFB resident - Nov 14, 2012 9:20 PM
comment as you did above . I and all the PDLS's would call you out and show people
how racist it is !! But you racist PDLS's are never called out for doing such racist
things !! I am so glad that you are a Dumocrat for I would be ashamed to have a
racist like you on my side !
ExToDResident - Nov 15, 2012 2:27 AM
mean-spirited, hate-filled old white men is a a lie. A big whopper. But one that has
been told over and over and over by the left." Hemmer
I agree; the old man part is a stretch...after all you are no old man.
But what the right has said over and over and over about the left is gospel and
beyond reproach?
Carl Hicks - Nov 15, 2012 3:14 AM
mandate.
MGarber - Nov 15, 2012 7:28 AM
Mucho - Nov 15, 2012 7:52 AM
"I’m not going to just slam the door in their face."
How does that set the tone for "cooperation" and "compromise". The man is a divisive legislator, not a leader. The first image that popped into his head when asked about reaching across the aisle was "slamming a door".
He knows class warfare and nothing else. Greece has some competition.
WFB resident - Nov 15, 2012 8:31 AM
over about the left is gospel and
beyond reproach?"
He is spot on with that comment . Why is the PDLS side not able to even show some
honesty ?
Carl , Percentage wise Bush won by a bigger margin ! (I guess more people are
voting for they see the PDLS's cheating ) !
Garber is correct also , we are not looking for intellectual honesty from his side at all
!!
I was wondering since Walker won the state by a far bigger percentage than the o
did . We should expect the PDLS's to back Walker on everything he wants,correct ?
geno53151 - Nov 15, 2012 9:31 AM
"Well, here's one: The Republicans created a huge debacle in Congress by refusing to continue the Bush tax cuts if the richest 1% didn't also get to continue the tax cuts. Even under the threat of several credit rating agencies telling them that if they keep obstructing, the US credit rating will be downgraded, the Republicans stalled anyway."
If Obama was serious about protecting the middle class,
Well, here's one: The Democracts created a huge debacle in Congress by insisting on raising taxes on the richest 1% of traxpayers. Even under the threat of several credit rating agencies telling them that if they keep obstructing, the US credit rating will be downgraded, the Democracts could care less. The major reason the credit rating was cut was the Trillions Dollars of debt added by the Obama administrtion.
Leftfield: are you new to commenting on this blog or a name change from someone banned?
Leftfield - Nov 15, 2012 10:59 AM
During the boom years, the Bush tax cuts helped shift billions of dollars to the richest people in this country so that in the Great Recession, the rich are still more than 35% ahead, while the bottom 90% had their entire gain in wealth destroyed and actually lost 5%. We need to get that 35% back from the Bush tax cuts without impacting the middle class more than it already has.
If conservatives insist on spending trillions fighting wars on multiple fronts and even add another $2 trillion to the military budget, then we need to remove the Bush tax cuts.
That is what Democrats are fighting for, raising revenue to fight a Republican deficit.
This is why the insistence that Republicans save the rich, even if this entire nation suffers with a credit cut and millions of people stay unemployed, is even more despicable. The rich gained around 35% since the Great Recession. The rich do not need to continue this tax cut. Only the middle class and poor did.
As for your other question, I've apparently registered on this board for a long time, but have commented less than a dozen times before this week.
Carl Hicks - Nov 15, 2012 12:47 PM
on this site,
ExToDResident - Nov 15, 2012 1:06 PM
(especially this one) a while ago.
I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy of the right.
I find especially curious that the right expects the left to acquiesce and accept their
vilification of the left without expecting any retribution in return.
WFB resident - Nov 15, 2012 1:10 PM
first part I think we should prove your ineptitude first since it is pretty old opinion on
your part ! I will start it off with a question . If a war brought the USA in to being the
greatest country in the world . Why is it the cause of losing today ? Now if you trult
pay attention to history you would know that the great war made America
Prosperous . Please inform us how it hurts and acts differently today . lol...
jhayett - Nov 15, 2012 1:39 PM
And this.
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom
which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent
posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and
guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which
inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them."
--Thomas Jefferson (1775)
Leftfield...is Jefferson's 1775 comment what you meant by us going back to our greatness? For some reason I doubt it. And I doubt you have a clue of our great history and heritage
Mucho - Nov 15, 2012 2:02 PM
Here is OBama's economic plan at work: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/15/florida-restaurateur-to-impose-surcharge-for-obamacare/
Higher prices at affordable restaurants and fewer hours and benefits for up to 250 workers.
How does making this "rich guy" pay more of his fair share help the "bottom" 90%? This ObamaCare debacle will play out all across the US over the next 18 months because socialists don't understand how effectively profit modifies behavior.
Leftfield - Nov 15, 2012 2:53 PM
John Metz is an owner/operator who runs three restaurant franchises (Denny's, Dairy Queen, etc.) with more than 100 restaurants. Based on his current profit level, he can raise prices of each item in his restaurant by 9 cents. Because he is such a high volume operator with so many restaurants operating at a high average profit level, he is an extremely rich man who can absolutely absorb much of the costs.
What he chose to do instead is make a political statement and add a surcharge to his receipt for Obamacare in which he will take an average of 45 cents per $9 average bill. This roughly works out to raising the price of each item by 9 cents.
But here's the thing. Who in his right mind wouldn't pay 10-15 cents per pizza at Papa John's if every employee gets health care? Who in his right mind thinks that an average of 35 - 45 cents extra on your eating out costs at restaurants is a horrible price to pay for over 40 million people to get coverage? Don't these multi-millionaires even consider what it means to a waiter or waitress to have health care that can protect his/her family? Why don't they get out of their 30,000 square foot mansions to look at the real world?
I just don't get it. Explain this to me.
jhayett - Nov 15, 2012 3:20 PM
WFB resident - Nov 15, 2012 3:47 PM
company will not be able to keep up with the demand for your increase takes away
from the bottom line which in turn makes it possible for a company to expand that
makes more jobs and more rich people !!! Why do you econ illiterates comment on
such things ?
WFB resident - Nov 15, 2012 3:48 PM
Mucho - Nov 15, 2012 3:49 PM
You say
"Who in his right mind wouldn't pay 10-15 cents per pizza at Papa John's"
I say: WHo in their right mind would:
- Clip coupons only to save 50 cents on a gallon of milk.
- Drive an extra block to pay 2 cents less per gallon for gas
- Pay their credit card bills on time to save interest
- Change jobs to make 20 cents more per hour
- Buy bread on sale and freeze it to save 20 cents per loaf
- Refinance their hose when interest rates drop
- Switch cable companies over $10 per month difference
- Buy clothes in MN to save sales tax
Answer: You and those that don't have a clue about economics, capitalism and how incremental savings adds up to college savings, retirement, vacations....
McDonalds is a giant because they asked billions of people "do you want fries with that?" NOT "how about some free fries?"
Get it???? Or do you need to go read the ants and the grasshopper fable to understand why the ants resent the grasshoppers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper
jhayett - Nov 15, 2012 5:23 PM
leftfield...how many jobs will be created by raising taxes? How much will our GDP grow by raising taxes? Are they not the critical issues, along with our spending and our debt (how will we pay that back?), that need to be addressed by our pres?
jhayett - Nov 15, 2012 6:25 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-klein-axelrod-emanuel/2012/06/11/id/441920
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2003/08/the-historical-lessons-of-lower-tax-rates
http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities
geno53151 - Nov 15, 2012 7:59 PM
Customers may leave less than a 15% tip. Waitress will lose the additional tip on the cost of the drinks not purchased. Waitresses who already don't make a decent wage, lose.
Don't tell me raising prices won't cause problems for all.
Leftfield - Nov 15, 2012 8:28 PM
The better question is: Did the $1 trillion tax gift given to billionaires create jobs? We don't know what removing tax cuts would do because we haven't done it in a decade, but we now have over a decade of the Bush tax cuts in effect, so we can measure what it's done last decade compared to previous years.
And here's the effect: http://www.epi.org/page/-/EPI_PolicyMemorandum_184.pdf?nocdn=1
There was no "trickle-down," the decade was the worse job creation of the post-war era, it created no long term economic growth and is a disproportionate gift to the very rich.
As for the Bush tax cuts "lowering deficits?" That's a pretty extreme lie. The year 2001 was the last year that the government spent less than it took in because of the Bush tax cuts. As percentage of GDP, the Bush tax cuts help drop tax revenue from 19.5% of GDP in FY2001 to 14.9% of GDP in FY2009.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-20078242.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-39741024/did-the-bush-tax-cuts-lead-to-economic-growth/?tag=mwuser
Since we have direct evidence that tax cuts do not lead to job growth; and since we have direct evidence that the rich are instead sitting on over $3 trillion in cash, why shouldn't we bring back the tax rate for the rich back to the Clinton era, when this nation was far more prosperous and jobs were growing at a steady clip?
Leftfield - Nov 15, 2012 8:44 PM
How ironic that according to productivity levels and staffing reports, the middle class and the lower class have been working much harder with longer hours and the fewest days of vacation taken in generations. Americans are working themselves to exhaustion for much fewer benefits and are required to put in far more of their income on health care costs while the only people who have been claiming about the same level of vacation are those making $250,000 or more.
Yet, because they want their bosses to chip in 10 cents per pizza for health care, that makes them worthless ingrates who deserve to die like the grasshopper because they didn't work hard enough.
Is it any wonder why people consider the Republican party to be the party of plutocrats?
A traditional Republican sees poverty and opens soup kitchens. Today's Republicans see poverty and scream, "Get a job, loser." Traditional Republicans commonly helped their neighbors open businesses with a communal zeal. Business was done with a handshake and debts often took a generation to recover. Today's Republicans don't think twice of repossessing your business if you're just a day late.
I want my traditional America.
Leftfield - Nov 15, 2012 8:54 PM
Restaurants have dozens of ways to bring a customer in despite price increases. One of the most common is to control portion sizes. If you want to raise prices without raising the price a customer pays, just change your steak from 9 ounces to 8 ounces. The customer will never remember that the lowest cost steak is 1 ounce smaller.
To save 10 cents, you can also give a customer about a quarter less fries. You save a quarter of a potato, yet the price you charge remain the same. And it's very hard to find a customer who can notice that there are fewer fries on the plate and complain about it.
There are many, many other tricks of the restaurant trade.
Did you notice that your General Mills cereal is on average 3 ounces lighter, yet they are charging the same price? Or that your bag of chips now contain more air than chips? Very few notice things like that.
But you're telling me that restaurants can't find a way to absorb 50 cents so that 40 million can have health care? Are you kidding?
WFB resident - Nov 15, 2012 10:33 PM
Carl Hicks - Nov 15, 2012 11:06 PM
,private golf course and can't afford to absorb just over a dime a pizza?
Carl Hicks - Nov 15, 2012 11:55 PM
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jhayett - Nov 16, 2012 7:46 AM
First, Bush’s tax cuts not only grew the economy and jobs, unemployment avg in the 4+% range and the deficit was actually falling and on its way to balanced (until the last year of his pres. That’s when the financial crisis took hold and the dems had full control of both the house and senate. You know, the crisis that Obama says required all this spending and that his Keynesian economics will fix all this). Why do you liberals keep running from this fact? http://robbingamerica.blogspot.com/2012/03/truth-of-bush-vs-obama-deficit-spending.html (Bush’s deficits are in blue and Obama is in orange.) Another in a long line of liberal MSM lies that Obama had to run with is Bush’s tax cuts were EQUAL to all in % terms. The CBO data proves the tax cuts grew revs plus 54 straight months of econ growth. A US record. What records does Obama have to show? Record debt and deficits? BTW leftie, this is Obama‘s term as it was over the past 4 yrs. Not Bush. Wake up call leftie!
jhayett - Nov 16, 2012 7:47 AM
That’s because we are already the highest taxed nation and Obama wants us to go even higher. This is how stupid Obama and his cabinet are and those who voted for him. Even John Keynes said, In “The Means to Prosperity,” written in 1933, Keynes said: Nor should the argument seem strange that taxation may be so high as to defeat its object, and that, given sufficient time to gather the fruits, a reduction of taxation will run a better chance than an increase of balancing the budget.”
Leftie, it’s obvious you have no clue about basic econ nor do you know anything about Obama’s theory and polices. So let’s try this. How will the economy grow with all this spending and tax hikes? Who and how will we pay it back? Did any of this ever cross your mind?
jhayett - Nov 16, 2012 8:45 AM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html
geno53151 - Nov 16, 2012 9:29 AM
You feel they can pay a "few cents" more for what they purchase. Gas fo cars, higher utility bills, resturant prices, groceries (pay more for less). Etc, Etc, Etc.
It's no big deal.
Raise taxes on any business making $250,000 or more (Dennys), gives them a choice, raise prices (passed on to the middle and lower class as Dennys is doing), terminate employees (middle and lower class) or go out of business (Hostess) Everyone loses including the government (loss of any tax revenue from that business)
Mucho - Nov 16, 2012 9:39 AM
Typical liberal. The ignorant masses won't notice the fifty cent increase in price OR the decrease portion size?
Then in the same message: "Did you notice that your General Mills cereal is on average 3 ounces lighter, yet they are charging the same price? Or that your bag of chips now contain more air than chips? Very few notice things like that."
WE, the people, clearly are not as intelligent as you because we are too ignorant to notice when we get ripped off? Yet, we are smart enough to see through the boondoggle that is socialized medicine that will ration care to control costs?
You completely discard the argument that MOST middle class taxpayers will drive an extra block to save 2 cents per gallon of gas but claim we are all too stupid to know when portion sizes decrease and prices go up?
You are either making a fortune in the restaurant business or you are a sheltered idealogue that has guilt over the trust fund daddy and grandpa set up for you. Well the rest of us are working hard like you described for less money and fewer jobs under Obama and resent the fact that on top of the FICA withholding increase coming in January, ObamaCare is going to hit us for an extra $2500 per family per year as our employers are pushed to raise prices and decrease wages and benefits due to higher taxes.
Your wise response is that "the rich can afford it" and the "ignorant masses" should just accept higher prices for less goods. You are quite a piece of work junior.
Leftfield - Nov 16, 2012 10:39 AM
Your view reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLj0IZFLKvg#t=01m37s
It's quite hard to work with you if you naively believe that percentages make everyone equal.
Look up a tutorial on economies of scale. Most will give you a quick demonstration on why giving a poor person a 10% tax cut is not the same as giving a billionaire a 10% tax cut. Hopefully you'll be enlightened at how a capitalistic economy rewards those with money.
And the CBO absolutely tells you that the tax rate as part of GDP is at its lowest percentage in decades. We collected more taxes because of the artificial inflation caused by bad mortgages. But the amount we collected ended up being 5% less overall, losing over $2 trillion dollars in tax dollars. This is what the CBO tells you.
Here's a chart of Bush job growth rates: http://front.moveon.org/obama-vs-bush-on-job-growth-3-long-years-1-simple-graph/
Leftfield - Nov 16, 2012 10:47 AM
The poor pay rent, which pays for their homes and taxes, but they don't get to own the home. They pay to get on public transportation, which pays for the bus and the taxes for roads, but don't get to own the bus. They work in companies to get their salaries, but don't get to own a stake in the company. They work on land they improve and cultivate, but do not get to own any resources on the land.
The poor pay 100% of their salaries to assets someone else owns while the rich pay into their own assets. They can't even buy heating oil for their homes in winter without lining the pockets of the oil barons. The poor pay more than enough.
When the rich also are as patriotic as the poor and pay 100% of their income to America's resources and wealth without any accumulated wealth of their own, then we'll talk about removing the rich's "burden."
jhayett - Nov 16, 2012 10:54 AM
Now let’s look at today. Again, how will raising taxes on those who create nearly all the US jobs going to grow the economy and grow jobs? We have an anemic GDP growth rate. How will raising taxes grow our GDP to the 3-4% level? How can this so hard for you libs to debate these facts and the current admins economic failures?
How will we pay back the trillions in debt and how will a $1 trillion tax increase over 10 years pay for Obama’s $15-20 trillion in unfunded borrowing for his spending over the same ten years?
You can’t answer that leftie and neither can your other alter-egos. You have run from this like a true liberal. You have no clue what you did.
Leftfield - Nov 16, 2012 11:07 AM
Here's a nice website about grocery prices: http://consumerist.com/category/grocery-shrink-ray/
And restaurant tricks: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/financially_fit_article_112574.html
The scale of price manipulation for the sake of corporate profits is massive. Yet, while corporations will do everything they can to manipulate prices for profit, the fact they will not lift a finger to help their employees pay 50 cents to get health care is inexcusable to me.
And Hostess taking was never a health care issue. They entered bankruptcy well before the health care reform was passed. Hostess was a personnel issue, but conservatives love to bring it up. They ignore the fact that well over 500,000 businesses open each year, well over 500,000 business close each year, and over 30,000 businesses file for bankruptcy each year. This particular bankruptcy is proof of nothing.
Leftfield - Nov 16, 2012 11:17 AM
Either there needs to be an addendum to the tax cut code that says that any money to the rich MUST be used in job creation, or the government needs to take that money back. The rich depend on a functional government which provides multitudes of public services to be successful. Otherwise, these businesses will be based in third-world countries where the government charges few taxes, but won't even repair the road to the front door of your business.
And considering that Obama expanded government by the lowest rate in post-war history, what you're saying is a lie. Every huge government agency expenditure from the TSA to the military to the Medicare drug expansion comes from the Republican legislature. Obama has actually been doing his best to cut all Republican spending, but at the same time raise revenue. He wants to drop Medicare spending, military spending, health care spending. And because of Obamacare, this year was the smallest health care increase in 15 years.
jhayett - Nov 16, 2012 12:45 PM
“jhayett: The question is, have they created jobs? And the answer is no. Either there needs to be an addendum to the tax cut code that says that any money to the rich MUST be used in job creation, or the government needs to take that money back. The rich depend on a functional government which provides multitudes of public services to be successful. Otherwise, these businesses will be based in third-world countries where the government charges few taxes, but won't even repair the road to the front door of your business.”
Now tell me how will these tax hikes help add to the worst GDP recovery, maybe ever, now that you and I both know jobs, our #1 priority for the USA, will not grow?
And then tell me how will Obama’s tax hikes, and I will assume he will get 100% of what he asked for (I’m sure you know that will not nor should it happen), help with Obama’s record near $6 trillion in spending which he had to borrow to pay for it and or the next $6 trillion plus he is asking for? Why not cut back in this crazy mans’s spending?
MGarber - Nov 16, 2012 1:27 PM
And then you quote him in intrety. And then you sidestep the whole point he made.
We (actually you) got nowhere.
Carl Hicks - Nov 16, 2012 1:59 PM
pay for programs that existed before the current president was elected.
Mucho - Nov 16, 2012 2:26 PM
I.e. Your simpleton theory in your idealistic world presumes that these "super rich" business owners have not been cognizant of their true "bottom line" and have leaving unclaimed profits on the table that they won't miss if Obamacare and the consumers just soak them up by raising prices.
Someone go tell Sam Walton's family that he was a rube for thinking he could get rich and win customers by offering "easily manipulated commodity" goods for lower prices.
Leftie - You have revealed how impossible it is for a "lowest price" and a "best value" business plan to impact retail sales. You are a genius along with all the corner liquor stores, mom and pop grocery stores, shoe stores and drug stores that have gone down in flames wwearing rose colored glasses as you charge more for less selection and the same product.
You have either been shetlered by the cozy confines of a large university campus life for too long or you have just been introduced to the free market today. Go get a job, buy and sell some goods with money that you earned yourself and then get back to the class with a real world report on how much more we should all pay for the same hamburger before and after OBamaCare.
WFB resident - Nov 16, 2012 4:18 PM
who has the White hose now exasterbated it 10 fold ! Trying to say that it is ok for
the o to do it worse just because the former presidents (yes many) did not reign in ,
is foolish !!! Undr th past Presidents we were not over 10 trillion in debt !!!! Some
progressive fools think and say "oh there is plenty of money" . For those I always
remind them that we are 16 trillion in debt ! How much is your "plenty of money" in
number terms ! LWN the Dumocrats had complete control for two years !!!! With
their fool of a President sitting ! Since you feel thst the Republicans are
obstructionists . Do you feel that the Dumocrats in Wisconsin are obstructionists ?
They fight to stop everything the Great Walker does ! So are the Dumocrats
obstructionists ? lol... I know you either get the point now or your ears are not clear
. Which is it LWN ??? lol...
yert49 - Nov 16, 2012 4:23 PM
geno53151 - Nov 16, 2012 4:51 PM
Are you serious? The "poor" have no income to invest in the stock market which fuels the 500,000 new business start ups. Take 100% of the "rich's" income? Where would the $$ come to support business startup and expansion which create jobs for thr "poor" and middleclass?.
Typical Leftie. Spread the wealth equally. Take away the incentive for anyone to be successful since they wil have no more than those who do just enough to get by. Everyone owns and drives a Rolls Royce.
There would be no "rich" to pay off Obamas trillions of $$ of debt.
Carl Hicks - Nov 16, 2012 6:42 PM
WFB resident - Nov 16, 2012 6:51 PM
geno53151 - Nov 16, 2012 7:07 PM
Rich spending their money before Obama gets it...........
Carl Hicks - Nov 16, 2012 9:18 PM
irresponsible for him to allow tax cuts.
We need higher tax rates so jobs get created by industry looking for write off
expenditures in equipment and labor.
referee33 - Nov 16, 2012 10:06 PM
They are the biggest executioner of the mom and pop business in America.Wal-Mart
started out as a company that promoted made in America products. Then they
changed their allegiance from country to the almighty dollar. Check out the Radio
Flyer story. Research how much of the national debt/trade deficit is directly
attributed to Wal-Mart. The Waltons grew rich manipulating both the consumer and
the market.
Carl Hicks - Nov 16, 2012 10:41 PM
Obama was reelected because another four years of Obama would destroy the
country BUT instead gave raises after making record profits last year... now
something about that situation sounds odd to me...
Now why can't the billionaire owner of the biggest home in America (90,000
square foot ) afford healthcare for his employees?
Carl Hicks - Nov 17, 2012 1:16 AM
jobs ) not by income level. Trickle down economics only causes the bottom and
middle-class to starve while the top bloats.
jhayett - Nov 17, 2012 7:49 AM
Show me where in Obama’s $3 trillion + annual budgets (oops, not budgets. “Reckless spending”. Obama and the democrat controlled senate not once passed a budget. Not once!) his spending is from “programs that existed before the current president was elected.” Let me make this easy on you. Pin point all the extra deficit spending by Obama. This should be easier since Obama blew an extra $5-6 trillion. BTW, don’t forget who controlled the house and the senate since 2006. And which party created the laws. Either way, let me see all those past spending bills Obama can’t seem to get out under from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget
Leftie, did you have to go to the bullpen with this one? Another leftie doesn’t seem to be working for you.
jman99 - Nov 17, 2012 9:56 AM
"Leftie, If the restaurant owners could have raised the prices 50 cents and lowered portion sizes or even dropped quality to raise profits with no ramifications because every other commodity (other than gas apparently) can "easily" be "manipulated" then why haven't they already?"
Seriously, do you want to eat in a restaurant where the employees don't have healthcare coverage? You'd think they would want to have the healthiest workers possible working there and have their ailments taken care of when they show up so they don't bring them to work untreated.