Conspiracy to commit giggling?
Colorado and Washington recently became two states voting in favor of legalizing marijuana. (Oregon had the measure on the ballot, but it didn't pass.)
Many news outlets during the past few weeks have reported positively on the legislation, as if it if no big deal. Some who read my blog have made comments in support of such a measure. From a person using the moniker Georgedubyabush comes this frightening little nugget:
"Talk about silver linings, Amy, you forget to mention that two states have legalized the recreational use of marijuana. You know it's just a matter of time before Wisconsin and the rest of the country jumps on board that train. Best stock up on the Cheetos for when your adult children come to visit. Change is a comin', baby!"
Scary, isn't it?
The Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel's own leftie, Jim Stingl, wrote a column called "Legalizing pot could spark up the economy." In his article, Stingl makes light of how certain businesses could benefit from states that have legalized pot. Some big winners could be: Visine, companies that make brownie mixes, Frisbee golf equipment, and of course that staple for those munchies: Frito Lay. In addition, Stingl wrote: "Will Foley is founder and general manager of Suburpia subs, which was built on the cravings of stoners in the 1970's. Marijuana consumption, he said, "gets them thinking about eating Suburpia sandwiches" and taking away criminal penalties would be good for business."
How cute. Never mind that pot use among America's teens has increased dramatically, as well as the problems associated with such use. From The Partnership at Drugfree.org
“These (increased pot use among teens) findings are deeply disturbing as the increases we’re seeing in heavy, regular marijuana use among high school students can spell real trouble for these teens later on,” said Steve Pasierb, President and CEO of The Partnership at Drugfree.org. “Heavy use of marijuana – particularly beginning in adolescence – brings the risk of serious problems and our data show it is linked to involvement with alcohol and other drugs as well. Kids who begin using drugs or alcohol as teenagers are more likely to struggle with substance use disorders when compared to those who start using after the teenage years.”
But, hey! No problem - right? After all, many lefties (like our own Georgedubyabush) find legalizing pot a "silver lining." And who knows, maybe the federal government is pleased with this development. After all, since so many people are out of work with nothing to do, maybe they'll take up pot smoking to toke their problems away, decreasing their chances of ever landing a job and increasing their chances of remaining dependent upon the government!!! Days spent gettin' high and collecting a government check - ain't life grand!?!
In closing, I totally disagree with legalizing a dangerous drug like pot, which study after study shows leads to memory loss, an inability to function socially, and an escalation to harder drug use over time. Do we really want to become a society of "stoners?" Do we really want to shrug this off and make light of it, as the Journal's Jim Stingl does with his comment: "...some of these jobs could go to pot users that we finally stop arresting and locking up for conspiracy to commit giggling." Sorry, Jim. I do not agree that locking up marijuana users and sellers is due to a "conspiracy to commit giggling." I am sure there are many families out there who experienced difficult times struggling with a loved one's drug use and the subsequent bad and/or illegal behaviors that go along with such.
As a side note, another little bit of liberal hypocrisy: The left over the years have made it their mission in life to destroy Big Tobacco. Cigarettes - legal at that - have been a target for decades by those who arrogantly seem to feel that they know what is best for us. They didn't like people inhaling smoke into their lungs and blowing it out. Innocent people around them who breathed in the secondhand smoke were at risk. They pointed out how smoking can cause cancer and contributes to many other health issues. The left went after smokers with a vengeance - tax, tax, tax cigarettes!!! Punish people for smoking! Make every public building a non-smoking building! Make every private business a "non-smoking" establishment! Drive those smokers out! After all, cigarette smoke is bad for you! Second hand smoke kills! Blah blah blah ad nauseum.
And now pot is legal? a thing to be celebrated? Tell me, what is the big difference between cigarettes and marijuana (besides the fact that cigarettes are legal in every state?)... The hypocrisy of the left - on full display yet again...
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110 Comments
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 4:36 PM
However we tried to remove alcohol from society and what did that bring us?
And then it came back.
The legalization of a substance does not mean that access to it will be free of regulation. what id does do is place the substance in the open and away from those very element who similarly during prohibition profited greatly and killed law enforcement officers.
It is the culture of use and abuse of alcohol and drugs that needs to be addressed.
As for the smoking aspect, there are many more ways to ingest cannabis than there is tobacco. If there are cannabis cigarettes, tax them both as a smoke and as a drug (like alcohol).
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 4:55 PM
That's just it isn't it. Both are bad. Using either is bad. Just because alcohol is legal does not mean it is less dangerous or it has fewer effects.
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 5:07 PM
Seeing parents smoking in a closed car with the kids in the back is tragic.
Mucho - Dec 10, 2012 5:07 PM
Other things we have not been able to remove from soceity:
Murder, rape, incest, DUI's, speeding, Meth.... So: legalize it so we can tax it and fewer cops will die?
Awesome 1st grader logic you have there. It's a sad, slippery slope.
Mucho - Dec 10, 2012 5:12 PM
Haven't seen the THC patch, gum or cannabis snuff yet but you hang in different circles than I do.
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 5:15 PM
Perhaps you missed that part Mucho.
Again, night school is still an option for you unless you are too proud to go.
Peter123 - Dec 10, 2012 5:56 PM
As far as I've seen, the efforts with marijuana legalization have been to place it on the same level as tobacco (well, a similar level... there would be laws about operating motor vehicles and other heavy equipment while under the influence). That means taxation and regulation (age limits) for who can get it, plus regulation about where it can be used. Market incentives (like sin taxes) can be used, much like they have been for tobacco and alcohol.
You'll have a point about hypocrisy when there's a push to allow marijuana cigarettes in bars and workplaces, and I'll be right there with you opposing it. Second hand marijuana smoke is only slightly less disgusting than second hand tobacco smoke.
I'm not a fan of marijuana, haven't used it, and wouldn't even if it were legal (just like tobacco). Due to its long residence time in the blood stream, it would remain effectively forbidden for many professions even if it were legal.
Your point about there not being a big difference is the best argument for why it should be legalized. Security problems with pot are mainly based on the supply chain... particularly the lawlessness across the border in Mexico. Which would be mitigated, if not eliminated, if it could be readily supplied in the US. Why isn't there the associated crime with tobacco? Because it's legal, so the supply chain can be out in the open.
ahemmer - Dec 10, 2012 6:52 PM
Peter123: I agree with most of your comment. Yet I cannot understand how you state: "Second hand marijuana smoke is only slightly less disgusting than second hand tobacco smoke." Why only "slightly less?" Shouldn't they be the same?
Cigarettes do not make people incapable of functioning in society. Pot - in many cases - does. I am sure that all of us have grown up around the "stoners" and "potheads" in high school and college and beyond. Look at how they turned out. Losers for the most part. Addicted to a very powerful drug that interfered with their brains - reasoning - study habits - and learning. And during high school and college we laughed at their expense. However, for society as a whole, people who smoke pot frequently don't tend to contribute much. Many of us know the realities - you've got a stoner who sits in the basement listening to hard rock playing XBox360 and they're in their 20's or 30's. Where did all their years go? Just as the alcoholic.
And this - legalizing pot - is to be celebrated? Forgive me, but I fail to see any reason to throw a parade.
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 7:11 PM
Same goes for people who drink frequently.
The propensity has to do with the physiology of the particular brain in question.
In reality, you can get addicted to just about anything and have that addiction turn destructive.
So lets talk about the real issue here:
Mental health and how it is viewed and treated by our society.
jman99 - Dec 10, 2012 7:12 PM
Those are not issues, they are realities.
Peter123 - Dec 10, 2012 7:19 PM
I say slightly less because I wrinkle my nose when I pass by a cloud of marijuana smoke (I studied in Madison, so I know the smell well), I don't cough. The smells are different, and one I find more disgusting. That is to say, it's an opinion, and not a relevant one at that.
Those at the level you're talking about for pot use are the real abusers. They exist, but I knew lots of people smoking pot in school who are productive members of society now.
With regard to the gateway drug aspect, it's hard to separate out whether it's a gateway drug because it's a drug or it's a gateway drug because it's illegal. My inclination is that if it were legal, those smoking pot would have less contact with the meth/cocaine/etc. trade, so that effect would be greatly diminished. I'd be interested in a study of what happened in the Netherlands when pot became legal as evidence in one way or the other on that.
WFB resident - Dec 10, 2012 7:44 PM
than there is tobacco. If there are cannabis cigarettes, tax them both as a smoke
and as a drug (like alcohol)."
Yes, but the effects are best when smoked ! The Netherlands (not your arsch), are
having problems . They are talking about banning ! Well that is what I read in the
Newspaper in Copenhagen .
ExToDResident - Dec 10, 2012 8:41 PM
created by the illegality of the drugs in question.
Making drugs legal would eliminate that revenue stream that supports the black
market.
ExToDResident - Dec 10, 2012 9:19 PM
Now who is advocating government intrusion into the peoples private lives?
ExToDResident - Dec 10, 2012 9:54 PM
So how many people have died from smoking or ingesting pot?
Carl Hicks - Dec 11, 2012 3:25 AM
change anything.
WFB resident - Dec 11, 2012 9:03 AM
What ever happened to the conservative belief in Darwinian self determination? Now
who is advocating government intrusion into the peoples private lives?"
Ex , What ever happened to your belief that the government should regulate all ?
No Conservative ever truly wants to get rid of all government !!! Yet that is what you
wing nuts believe . As for pot being dangerous : How many lung cancers were
started from smoking pot ? Have they studied that ? Or did they assume it was the
cig. smoke only ? So I will say millions have died from Pot . Just not proven for or
against !!!
MGarber - Dec 11, 2012 10:58 AM
I craved those sandwiches way before I ever inhaled. And when they reopened the stores a couple of years ago, I distinctly remember giggling, and its been a long time since I last inhaled.
(Only slightly off-topic, and I am not paid by, nor connected with the establishment in any way)
WFB resident - Dec 11, 2012 11:35 AM
basements and start growing up ! Better yet how many mass murderers ever
smoked pot ? I bet all of them did ! Plus just before all mass murderers started their
killing sprees . They all wanted to be socialists ! Plus thy all were PDLS's !! So break
up the problem PDLS's . Stop creeping PDLS values .
Mucho - Dec 11, 2012 11:55 AM
Current restrictions on alcohol and tobacco fail to protect our youth. It is ridiculous to assume that having more pot, more accessible won't have a serious, detrimental impact on society and the development of our children. Statistics regarding test scores, drop out rates and psychological problems associated with THC use among teens prove that point.