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Thanks,
Bernie
clash of ideologies
The US is extremely polarized. The Feds and Patriot groups are positioning themselves for greater conflict. In order to find the root of the dissatisfaction with the Federal government, I had interviewed a number of ‘Tea Party’ advocates and read articles by the Patriot groups.
From everything that I have heard and read, the impending clash of force stems from a conflict of ideology. On one side of the conflict is Obama and liberal Democrats who want to fundamentally transform America into a modern more European style economic and political model. On the other side of the conflict are traditionalists who want to adhere to the original intent of the Constitution.
Leading the charge to maintain the original intent is Stewart Rhodes, a Yale Law school graduate and former congressional staffer of Ron Paul. He is leading a group known as ‘Oath Keepers’. The spokespeople for a few of the Patriot groups include Pat Buchanan, Ted Nugent, Mychal Massie, Alex Jones, Laura Ingraham, Allen West, Ron Paul, etc. The membership of the various Patriot groups exceeds 2 million, according to some estimates.
In 2010 nine members of a militia group, Hutaree, were arrested as a ‘preventative measure’.
"They talked about doing a covert reconnaissance exercise," said Barbara McQuade, U.S. attorney for the eastern district of Michigan, in an interview with CNN's Drew Griffin.
Eric Holder was aware of who these people were and what they were planning because of the informants that were placed in the group by the Justice department. The facility in which the group met was wire tapped and the activity was closely monitored.
The group was charged with possession of weapons and conspiracy to use the weapons. The group had gathered materials necessary to manufacture IEDs, the indictment alleges.
Nine members were charged with seditious conspiracy, teaching the use of explosive materials and possessing unregistered and illegal weapons.
The Southern Poverty Law Center lists the Hutaree as a "Patriot" group militia and is categorized under the heading of a hate group or fringe organization.
"Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the 'New World Order,' engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing or advocate or adhere to extreme anti-government doctrines," the Law Center said in a report, "Rage on the Right: The Year in Hate and Extremism."
The Law Center also defines Patriot groups as "militias and other organizations that see the federal government as part of a plot to remove personal liberties from liberty-loving Americans."
Instead of seeing the Patriot groups fade as a result of this high profile arrest, the opposite has happened. The arrest seemed to anger and justify the activities of the Patriot groups; causing new groups to pop up replacing the one that was lost.
Ideas in conflict:
States rights: The idea is that the federal government should be weak and that the states should determine their own fate and laws. The Oath Keepers believe that the Constitution outlines a Federal government that sets the currency, conducts foreign affairs, interstate commerce and defends the country against enemies (both foreign and domestic). The charter for the Federal government also includes policing the border, conducting a census, creates treaties, etc. But in effect, the policies of the federal government should be of no consequence to the average citizen.
The states on the other hand, have the authority to set their own policies governing day to day affairs of the citizens. The states will develop a competitive environment for citizens and businesses.
By allowing individual states a wide berth of operating conditions, the entire span of ideology will be covered. If an individual prefers safety over personal liberty that individual can find a state that caters to that preference. Some states could focus on the environment while others could focus on manufacturing and industry.
The United States is structured as a loose confederation of states. The states yield minimal rights to the federal government, but the federal government is the ultimate arbiter in disputes between states.
Taxation: The Oath Keepers believe that the Federal government does not have the right to impose an income tax. That right is reserved for the states. It was Franklin Roosevelt who had usurped that authority by stacking the Supreme Court with justices who were sympathetic to the strong Federal government.
Second amendment: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” According to the Oath Keepers, ‘not be infringed’ means precisely that no laws can be created to curb, limit or infringe on the ability of an American citizen to own any weapon that they wish to own. In fact, they believe that taxing the weapon or ammunition is unconstitutional because the tax infringes on the citizen’s ability to own or use the weapon.
The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting; the amendment is designed to make the state and federal governments fearful of its citizens. The citizens should have all of the power in the country.
Public education, public healthcare: The federal government was not given the charter to establish public education, public healthcare or public anything. The states are permitted to set these up, but it is not required.
Gold Standard and the Federal Reserve: The constitution does not allow for fiat money or a Federal reserve. The monetary supply was of keen interest to the founding fathers. President Andrew Jackson reiterated the need for a control on the currency and a currency that is backed with assets.
President Wilson created the Federal Reserve after passing the Federal Reserve Act, but only after creating a panic to ensure its passage.
Capitalism: The Oath Keepers believe that unfettered capitalism will cure its own ills. Of course, most of the self-regulation will take a longer period of time. If a food manufacturer uses substandard ingredients in its product, its competitors will make it known to the consumer. They also believe a private agency will arise (similar to the UL or Consumer Report) that will provide the consumer confidence in a product.
The Federal government should not own businesses or ‘for profit’ enterprises, nor should it own tools of manufacturing.
Charity: Government spending on social programs is not charity. It is a re-distribution of wealth. To take from one person by force to give to another is extortion. Non-profit organizations and churches should care for the poor and disabled by providing schools, hospitals, shelter and food. In exchange for service to the poor, the non-profits pay no income taxes, properties taxes and are not subject to the regulations of the ‘for-profit’ organizations.
Citizens should never look to government as a provider; only as an arbiter and enforcer.
Global Governance: The groups will not answer or pay taxes to anyone or anything outside of the US. This includes the United Nations, Cap and Trade or any other mechanism that extracts money from the US citizens for causes outside of the US.
Slippery slope: For decade the backers of the constitution and Patriot groups have begrudgingly relented as the constitution was dismantled. The dismantling began under the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson, but took an enormous step forward during the Roosevelt administration.
Most groups are open to changes to the constitution. If changes are desired, the originator of the change should state the purpose of the change, the final objective of the change and the problem that it hopes to solve. A national debate should be held and it should be ratified of 2/3 of the states. But this process was not followed during the creation of the Federal Reserve, Social Security administration, the IRS, and any number of unconstitutional governmental entities.
Prior to the Obama administration, most presidents have nibbled away at the edges of the constitution. But Obama appears to be determined to wipe away the remaining vestiges. Beyond the trampling of the constitution, Obama is willing to identify the Patriot groups as terrorists. He is actively working to undermine the groups by putting informants into the groups and de-legitimizing the groups. The perception is that Obama is using outside organizations to label the Patriot groups as ‘crazy, paranoid, black-helicopter Neanderthals’. Obama and Holder appear to go out of their way to antagonize the Patriot groups, as if they are looking for a fight.
Obama, to these groups, represents an ideology that is more socialist than the Republic as established by the constitution.
Now, Patriot groups have put a stake into the ground and said ‘no further’. They have taken an oath to support the constitution; not the Federal government.
In the clash of ideology, many groups have been pulled into the fray. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is perhaps the main supporter of Obama and the transformation of America. In the (SPLC) 2009 report The Second Wave: Return of the Militias, Larry Keller, wrote that the Oath Keepers "may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival." Stewart Rhodes responded to this book and claim that there is nothing to worry about if only the US would return to its original intent and charter.
The US Federal government needs to divest itself of power; giving it back to the states and to the people.
The Federal government has sensed the showdown and is actively working to get the upper hand in the conflict; it is banning weapons, even semi-automatic weapons, it is buying up all ammunition, making it difficult to find bullets, it refuses to make drones off limits to US citizens on US soil, etc. But mostly, the federal government is demonizing law abiding US citizens who want to maintain the original intent of the constitution. One person claimed, “I wouldn’t be demonized if the Feds were content to allow me to exercise my constitutional rights.” Another comment was, “I am tired of being mocked and ridiculed by my government and media for holding true to our founding documents. Those documents should still our guiding principles.”
Can a compromise between the Feds and the Patriot groups be achieved? I doubt it, especially since the Feds are not interested in compromise.
My perspective is that I am highly cynical of our government. I don’t believe that the federal government is acting in my best interest nor is it living up to its charter. I am completely dis-heartened to see how far decay and corruption has seeped into our society and government. With this degree of decay, it is bound to fail soon. But I will not conspire or take up weapons against the government.
I have been exhorted to be part of a group, because “sooner or later the government will come after you because of your beliefs”. My response is that I aware that Obama and Holder do not share my beliefs and might erode my personal liberties even further, but I will not defend myself physically from the government.
I am the eternal optimist and I will continue to hope that our condition improves, despite evidence to the contrary.
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119 Comments
Carl Hicks - Mar 15, 2013 12:13 AM
geno53151 - Mar 15, 2013 9:02 AM
Another example of Obama using governments power telling us what is good for us. 2 billion dollars. And we have no money to let our children visit our capitol.
MGarber - Mar 15, 2013 9:22 AM
Yeah; you'll get accurate & reasonable information from those sources.
".... actively working to get the upper hand in the conflict; ... it is buying up all ammunition".
A right wing panic story that the NRA doesnt give any creedence to (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/federal-law-enforcement-agencies-buy-ammunition.aspx). Yup; you got accurate & reasonable information, all right.
Thats what
MGarber - Mar 15, 2013 9:51 AM
http://wonkette.com/506412/white-house-tours-now-more-important-than-eating-praying-pretty-much-everything-in-universe
Pierre Del Norte - Mar 15, 2013 10:50 AM
I have finally had a chance to read your post. You did a good job of "Teeing-Up" the issue and drawing some very distinct lines of differentiation.
Good Job!
Feel free to not answer this question. But in the interest of full disclosure - Would you happen to a member of the Oath Keeper organization?
WFB resident - Mar 15, 2013 12:53 PM
enough money to keep the lizard in texas happy for th next 2oo years !
Bernie Ziebart - Mar 15, 2013 12:56 PM
When you are already fearful of another group every action and response is compounded. MGarber brought up an excellent example. Some Militia people went to Gander Mountain to buy ammunition only to find that they are out of stock and will be for months. Then they discover that SSA, NOAA and FEMA have purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition..producing the shortage. It doesn't take much to connect the dots...in their minds.
I also want to show the tremendous ideological gulf that exists between the Patriot groups and the liberal Democrats. I don't think that we can function for long, as a society, with that large of a gap.
My disclosure: I am not part of any Patriot type of organization, nor have I ever attended a meeting. I am sympathetic to their mis-trust of the Feds, their understanding of the second amendment and capitalism.
However, I do have acquaintences who are in a patriot group or attend their meetings.
Peter123 - Mar 15, 2013 3:55 PM
"Taxation: The Oath Keepers believe that the Federal government does not have the right to impose an income tax. That right is reserved for the states. It was Franklin Roosevelt who had usurped that authority by stacking the Supreme Court with justices who were sympathetic to the strong Federal government."
"Most groups are open to changes to the constitution. If changes are desired, the originator of the change should state the purpose of the change, the final objective of the change and the problem that it hopes to solve. A national debate should be held and it should be ratified of 2/3 of the states."
The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
An income tax had been declared unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court, so the Constitution was amended. This was passed in 1913, long before FDR was attempting to stack the Supreme Court.
WFB resident - Mar 15, 2013 4:15 PM
rattified unless 7/8 agree !
Bernie Ziebart - Mar 15, 2013 4:49 PM
There is an unbelievable history behind the 16th amendment. The amenment started out as a response to the Bailey Bill. This amendment was to be a ruse and not serious. Further, it only allow taxes to be raised during time of war.
Congressman Cordell Hull D-Tenn. took the floor to excoriate the Republican leaders. Said he:
““No person at all familiar with the present trend of national legislation will seriously insist that these same Republican leaders are over-anxious to see the country adopt an income tax. What powerful influence, what new light and deepseated motive suddenly moves these political veterans to ‘about face’ and pretend to warmly embrace this doctrine which they have heretofore uniformly denounced?”
The Senate approved the Sixteenth Amendment with an astonishing unanimity of 77-0! The House approved it by a vote of 318-14.
When Republican Congressman Sereno E. Payne of New York, who had introduced the amendment in the House, saw that this end run was turning into a winning touchdown for the opposition, he was horrified. He went to the floor and openly denounced the bill he had sponsored. Said he:
““As to the general policy of an income tax, I am utterly opposed to it. I believe with Gladstone that it tends to make a nation of liars. I believe it is the most easily concealed of any tax that can be laid, the most difficult of enforcement, and the hardest to collect; that it is, in a word, a tax upon the income of honest men and an exemption, to a greater or lesser extent, of the income of rascals; and so I am opposed to any income tax in time of peace…I hope that if the Constitution is amended in this way the time will not come when the American people will ever want to enact an income tax except in time of war.”
Bernie Ziebart - Mar 15, 2013 4:56 PM
The taxation was set to 2% on corporations. Roosevelt began taxing individuals.
Peter123 - Mar 15, 2013 6:23 PM
Pierre Del Norte - Mar 15, 2013 6:36 PM
Can we all agree that the federal government has the constitutional authority to impose and collect income taxes?
WFB resident - Mar 15, 2013 9:51 PM
ExToDResident - Mar 15, 2013 11:21 PM
“The US debt may look bad, relatively speaking. It remains the world’s largest economy, with the most liquid markets, a history of reliable debt service, and the ability to borrow in its own currency. Moreover, it is a relatively closed economy, with only a small proportion of of activity made up by foreign trade. As a result, while a fall in the pound might push up UK prices quite quickly, a fall in the dollar is less likely to lead to a rise in American inflation.
However, as Martin Wolf has remarked, “The very factor that makes borrowing large sums relatively safe for Americans – that they are borrowing in a currency they can create at will – also makes borrowing riskier for their creditors’
WFB resident - Mar 16, 2013 11:27 AM
the world’s largest economy, with the most liquid markets, a history of reliable debt
service, and the ability to borrow in its own currency. "
Is this the same us economy that you and the other Dumocrats are and want to
change ? Do you really think about what you say/write ? Secondly have you noticed
that we are credit rated ? Did you even notice that since the o came in we were
down graded ? Do you realize we are in a global economy ? lol... I swear , are you 6
years old ? geeez !
WFB resident - Mar 16, 2013 11:47 AM
educated people the last ones to remember that ? Are they so used to believeing
anything written ? The onion is an example of this . There are people who still
believe what they write even after they admit to not telling the truth !
Carl Hicks - Mar 16, 2013 12:12 PM
I see this from the right on a daily basis since Nov of 08.
"The perception is that Obama is using outside organizations to label the Patriot groups as ‘crazy, paranoid, black-helicopter Neanderthals’. "
Most of the militia groups are just that.....and they have all been branded as nut jobs ever since Oklohoma city , Waco, etc...and to me they are nut jobs if they think guns that are small enough for people to carry will have any effect against armored vehicles and aerial bombbardment.
These groups need to face the reality that they have a snow flakes chance in Hades of winning any violent revolution against the powerful military in the world.
If we are to force change in this country it can only be through changing who we vote for and unseating the two controlling parties from power. Returning our government to by the people , for the people and tossing out by the corporation for the corporation....
Pierre Del Norte - Mar 16, 2013 5:48 PM
Sure sounds like terrorist activities to me. If they were an Al Qaeda "sleeper cell" and engaging in those activities, there would be no question that they were terrorists. How did the FBI know they were not the next Timothy McVeigh crowd?
Pierre Del Norte - Mar 16, 2013 5:52 PM
You implication here Bernie the the federal government today is engaged in activities that are inherently unconstitutional.
I think most people would find the notion totally absurd.