Are liberals supporting America?

I'm not a liberal, republican, or democrat. But because I like to answer questions I will give you my $.02.

"Why do liberals constantly ignore the truths about terrorism, the Iraq war, Obama's lies and confusions, and other very serious issues brought on by our democrats?" That is a very hard question. I think one can look at that in many ways. I would have a ask you a question. What truths about terrorism do you think are ignore? McCain lies and gets lot of confusions to. I mean the guy is 71.


"Do liberals realize that each time they attack their own country that they are making a fool out of not just themselves, but America too?" I think you have to question your own country is that not what America is about? Your right to think what you want?


"Do liberals realize that our enemy is dancing in the streets each and every time liberals make these sick and demented comments about our country?" Can you show me pics or vids or facts on this one?

"I see liberals writing blogs daily (some twice a day; get a life!)" How many time do you log on to LLC? I see you have a lot of comments too.


"Many not-too-bright individuals buy into this without looking into the facts." I could say that about your out look.

"All of this is helping to bring America down." Thats opinion not fact.

"very few Americans do not believe in God or religion. But these same liberals have to push their science on us without "tolerance" or respect for the majority." I would think that very few americans dont believe in science. Lots of people push their religion on ther people. Knok Knok. Hold on I have to ge the door........ Sorry it was some religious people.

"Who's side are they on?" Its america you can think what you want. Even if its not right. Thats whats so cool about this country. Jim if you dont like what they are posting dont read it, its that easy. Just like that they are gone.

Hey did you see the poll Barack Obama 87.3%!

@jim: I will answer your questions.

1) "Why do liberals constantly ignore the truths about terrorism, the Iraq war, Obama's lies and confusions, and other very serious issues brought on by our democrats?" A) This is a Straw man argument and a false question on false premise.

2) "What would be the motive to show such hate for those that are helping keep us safe from terrorism?" A) Ad hominem, non-sequiter.

3) "Do liberals realize that each time they attack their own country that they are making a fool out of not just themselves, but America too?" a) Ad hominem & non sequiter.

4) "Do liberals realize that our enemy is dancing in the streets each and every time liberals make these sick and demented comments about our country?" A) Ad hominem.

5) "When liberals attack our President, and I'm only talking about lies since freedom of speech is a constitutional right, all they do is incite more hate toward America from terrorists." A) Non-sequitar.

Jim, I really would recommend a class in basic logic. At least examine the structure and form of fallacies in reasoning.

Shoe Guy…since you say you are not a liberal, I don’t think your answer would be correct. Let the liberals answer. Why not? However, your opinion is always welcome. But I must point out, and I do hope you appreciate that I do, that you also have not answered the questions about the war that’s put out to these liberals. In fact, when you bashed McCain with his college scores I asked to see the data to support that comment. Did you? NO! You also didn’t respond to the actual point of this post. It’s the lies from liberals, and non-liberals too, and the hate and attacks toward President Bush and others that I’m questioning. Not ones difference in views, like yours. I’m OK with that. But to attack and lie about those defending you? What side is that person on? America’s? How? Is it the normal American way to smear someone, attack them with lies, and destroy their reputation and creditability and then say, “I love you and I’m on your side?” I know I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but to believe that liberal ideology is wrong.


McCain at 71 years old is a very bad answer or excuse to a few of my concerns.

Shoe Guy...only 52 voted. I think you got one of those votes?

MC...I guess you “fluffed those feathers of intelligence” and showed us truly who support. No answer. Sad, but just what I expected.

MC...but I do appreciate your comment and will always give you the right to post one.

@Jim: I point out the fallacies in your reasoning and what do you answer with? Another personal attack! Fantastic! Anyway, your path is clear. When should I expect a knock on the door? Will you be reporting me, or will Amy? Perhaps you'll lend SG a nickel to phone me in. What are you chicken? Are you weak? Or are you just "liberal" when it comes to enforcing laws against terrorists?

MC...where in the world have I attacked you? All I ask is to answer some questions about your stance with the war and so many of the liberal lies that come from the war. When you dodge the questions, as most if not every liberal has so far, I bring that point up. And that’s attacking you? Do you read your own post after you write that garbage? You have been called out for attacking others more than anyone on this site. You want respect, answers, and good dialogue, start with yourself and stop what you accuse others of doing to you.

@Jim: Your questions are invalid. Sorry, if you don't see it. That's why I recommend a little education in fallacies. And yes, I do want good dialog, we can agree on that. I really suggest in taking a moment to reflect how your questions are un-answerable. If your questions were not arguments based upon ad hominem attacks and from your own personal credulity, then perhaps we could have a conversation.

And again, if you do not want to be attacked, don't attack me first. (Why you don't torture. The Hypatian Shore.) Thanks.

Also, I've written a part one rebuttal to the subject of your blog and the content of Amy's. Liberal Hammer is hoping that you can address the content of the post without a personal attack. I hope I am wrong, but I really don't think you can. But, I am willing to look like a fool with your merciless grasp of logic and science.

http://community.livinglakecountry.com/controlpanel/blogs/posteditor.aspx?SelectedNavItem=Posts&sectionid=566&postid=333059

Shoe Guy...email Erin at the LCR. This is the second comment from you that can not be published. The LCR does have a new security system in place, and something in your last two comments will not allow me to post. I did copy and paste the site you suggested and all I get is a blank page.

MC…none of these questions are invalid expect to you and those that don’t want to see how wrong they have been. The truth is a better answer. That’s why you can not and will not answer tough question like these.

"Shoe Guy...email Erin at the LCR. This is the second comment from you that can not be published. The LCR does have a new security system in place, and something in your last two comments will not allow me to post. I did copy and paste the site you suggested and all I get is a blank page." You can see the vid in your blog "Change Means Never Having To Face Facts" My facts are in a comment. Thats good news that they got a new security system. When I first joined LLC I could find everyones password and user names.

MC,



You are a pathetic example of an American and the ultimate example of a cowardly liberal. You are caught in a tough situation, so you attack others to squelch your crap and then make false accusations of being attacked. Stop your childish “whining” and answer the damn questions!!! What’s the matter, cat got your tongue? Don’t want to reveal what side you stand for? I hate this war and I have some doubts too with Bush. But the man is defending you day and night and is doing what Clinton said we must do. But do you hear me or other conservative bloggers lying about Pres. Bush or our military just to get a vote from the idiots who believe in these bs statements from liberals? NO!!!


You and your big words are boring many of us. There is no “fallacy” in Jim, SG’s or Amy’s questions. Asking a question is not fallacy. It’s called “asking a question.” You are just to self embellished with yourself to answer it. Maybe this is why few comment on your blog. You are the vicious one, not those that respond to your attacks.

@Jim: Wow another argument from personal credulity! Oh hum. Btw... will you meet me on my blog and refute my post? Or all you have are personal attacks that you know are not effective? Do you have nothing else than assertions? I think perhaps the latter, but I won't presume certainty until you do. :)~

Tell you what, you can have the last word, but only if it's on my blog. See you there big guy!

http://community.livinglakecountry.com/blogs/the_hypatian_shore/archive/2008/07/19/treasonous-liberals-exterminate-the-liberals-pt-1.aspx

Shoe Guy…call Erin Mellon at the LCR and ask her. She sent me an email when I asked why your first comment couldn’t be posted. She said she fixed it. But now it’s happing again. Go ask her, not me. 367-3272

Jim,



Give up. Those that get stuck in a corner and don’t have the decency to say "I'm sorry" will never answer your questions. Nice try because I think the answers might wake up some of these liberals who just hate. What a sad life to live. We should all pray for them. Praying for others is better than praying for yourself.

Shoe Guy...I copied and pasted your site. Let's see if that will work.

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SG...sad isn't it. If they only knew!

I forgot who asked for this.


http://realisrael.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/palestinians-dancing-in-the-streets/

@Billy: Your correct Billy. Asking questions is not a fallacy. The difference is in the way in which you ask them and the underlying assumptions that they are predicated upon. This is why Jims' questions are not valid. Oh sorry, I used a words that were not monosyllabic in my answer. Make sure you attack me again with that. Thanks.

Regarding: Bush. Is it safe for me to rephrase your argument as: "President Bush is protecting us. Shut up already!"

Secondly, let me acknowledge your hate for the war. Cool. We can agree on that. Perhaps we can then agree on the best way to resolve the war and leave just how pathetic and a coward that I am as an irrelevant issue - or I may have to accuse you of attacking me.

What do you say?

MC, I see, as usual, you will not answer the questions. You use the excuse "The difference is in the way in which you ask them and the underlying assumptions that they are predicated upon. This is why Jims' questions are not valid.” Valid to whom? You? Here’s another excuse from MC: “Jim, I really would recommend a class in basic logic. At least examine the structure and form of fallacies in reasoning.” But here’s the best one from MC: “Your questions are invalid. Sorry, if you don't see it. That's why I recommend a little education in fallacies. And yes, I do want good dialog, we can agree on that. I really suggest in taking a moment to reflect how your questions are un-answerable. If your questions were not arguments based upon ad hominem attacks and from your own personal credulity, then perhaps we could have a conversation.” Cowards who know they are caught, or will be caught in a lie, are the ones who walk away while kicking and screaming. Your true colors, should I say answers, are showing.


Problem is MC, these are very valid questions and simple to read and comprehend. Even to a sixth grader. For those that believe this liberal garbage, hers the two questions from Jim on Amy’s blog. Now sit back because they are so difficult that MC and Liberal hammer have been making up every excuse in the book to not answer these most difficult questions. “First, do you agree with these comments (Amy’s blog about liberal quotes)? Second, if these individuals are not siding with America, than whom do they side with?” And the real tough one: “if these are quotes from liberals and liberal politicians, than what do you have to say about these incredible facts?”

Dude, MC is correct, your posts are diatribes, with little logic to back it up. We don't dislike your arguments because you're conservative...we'd like you to make an actual argument. Jeez, your title is insulting. What if I posted one that said, "Do Merton Housewives Really Eat Their Children?" Absurd. Yet that's what you do...

On a lighter note, I nominate Michelle Obama for First MILF. Woof!

Give it up guys, these liberal bloggers are so filled with their own hate that they can't even distinguish the difference from truth or fiction. But nice try. At least you gave them the opportunity to explain their true intentions. But it's obvious to all where they really stand. I think they are all too afraid of an “intellectual knockout!”

Victor..nice try but you too don't seem to want to answer those very tough questions or prove these "diatribes" wrong. Typical liberal smear, isn't it? You learned well from the NY Times and Dan Rather

Victor, dude!...when certain liberals refuse to support America, like Amy's blog proves, why not ask why? Hope you don't live in Merton.

Hey: We liberals aren't filled with hate...can't you feel the love, man? We're all, like, Americans, dude. Different perspectives are totally groovy. That's what's so rad, and totally righteous! (Oops, have to put the Graphix down...hold on a sec...).

Now, where was I? Oh, yes. Jim: We, MC, Jeff, Myself, and anyone else who cares to cop to the label, are Liberal, and love America so much we exercise our 1st Amendment right to call it on the carpet when it royally screws the pooch. It doesn't matter that you say otherwise, mostly because you just say so and don't back it up with anything but say-so. When Clinton opted for fellatio, we thought him to be a bad husband, but he can dance naked with his secretaries for all I care (for all I know, he did); if he does a good job as President, well, his private stuff is his private stuff. Nancy Reagan does astrology? OK, pretty bone-headed, but no impact on what Ronnie did. Eisenhower and his abnormal golf obsession? Harmless. But Nixon tapes his political enemies, and gets caught? Every right to be hounded from office, no matter that he opened China. Bush 2 launches war in Afghanistan? Hey, np here. Iraq? Where's the justification? It certainly hasn't improved our standing in the world...and your opinion on that score matters zilch. Just read the foreign press. But Jim, my wife keeps asking why I respond to you, when you don't listen to logical arguments; in fact, all the other political troglodytes seem to emerge from their caves, too. It's disheartening. She thinks that if I respond rationally to you, I give credence to your rantings. I'm beginning to think she's right....but before I go, SG134: to whom are you praying? Please leave your religious mythology out of politics. There's no evidence, and no place for mythology here...

Victor…well written piece with quality research. I’m impressed and I mean that sincerely. However, you missed the entire point and logic to this post. Here’s the gist of the entire post, why I left liberalism, and what my main theme is with nearly every post I write. This is what I said that you and others missed: “When liberals attack our President, and I'm ONLY talking about LIES since freedom of speech is a constitutional right, all they do is incite more hate toward America from terrorists.”



It’s the lies Victor! Lies hurt all involved. But it seems liberals can’t stop their vicious lies and attacks on those that don’t agree to their ideology. Why do so many liberals resort to lying if they are so dead right with all these issues? Like the war? I hate it as much as you, Victor! Vietnam too! But I know the difference and why we must fight this battle. My anti-left inside me is trumped by logic. Not emotion that seems to permeate liberalism. And it's the lying that stops liberals from answering those simple questions that others would like to have answered too.

I hate America!

Sorry, I was lying!

OMG. Now I remember why I stopped reading this garbage. Jim, you ask questions that are based on faulty premises, and then make assumptions based on a non-answer. What kind of logic is that?

Oh, and when did you stop beating your wife?

Jeff explained (see above post from Jeff B.) what he meant by the wife beating, so I posted his comment. Jeff used “are you still beating your wife” as an example of a question that can’t be answered since you don’t beat your wife. Jeff said my question “Do you still hate America.” is like the example of the wife beating. Can’t answer if you never hated America. This is why Jeff stated that my question I want him and the other liberals to answer is on a faulty assumption. Jeff, you are 100% correct. If that was the question I asked as did others. Unfortunately, that is NOT the question AT HAND. I will repeat my exact words again.



“First, do you agree with these comments (from Amy’s blog)? Second, if these individuals are not siding with America, than whom do they side with?” And from SG124 that none of you liberals answered that deserves an answer “Do you believe terrorist want to destroy us and our great country? Especially Jews and Christians? Do you believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to make nukes and then use them to destroy Israel?” Now that we have this presumption fixed, can I get an answer please? Can we all assume the answer to the first question is "NO", the second answer would be ??, the third YES and the fourth YES? I’m assuming this using your very own explanation.




By the way, even though we don’t agree, you are always welcome on my blog.

Jim,Now that’s what I call, an “Intellectual knockout” of major proportions!!! Sorry Jeff, Billy or Jmark. One of you did come up with that remark first. It just wasn't applied to the right blog

sg134

A veritable tour de force it is not.

Jim


there are way too many whacko's who are allowed to vote. Appreciate what you and Amy do, but the dumbness of Anmerica is taking over from the anti-American left. But keep trying.

Liberals = attempt to govern by emotions, not logic and facts.
If they could, Democrats would shift policy as fast as the wind changes direction.

The good of the people needs to be facts only.
Ask a liberal a question and instead of an answer you get emotional rhetoric and grandstanding.

Don't mistake me for a republican either. The Republicans are also a long way off.

A side note:
THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!

Please read that again.
We are a Representative Republic.
"...in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law..."

http://www.albatrus.org/english/goverment/govenrment/democracy%20versus%20repubblic.htm

But all of the "fact and logic" people here know that already...

Jeff...valid points.

You know whats more pathetic than liberals writing blogs daily (some twice a day; get a life!)? Those that read them..........

Marred25...shouldn’t talk so badly of yourself. Someone might say you are “attacking” yourself. Juts a warning to help you out.

marred25...good study. I just did the same. Since June 3rd, MC had nine multiple daily post with three days sporting three posts a day! Jeff Blackwell had six multiple daily posts with three of those days showing three post in one day.

Why would anyone count the multiple daily blogs of others and then post that info?

marred25...ummmmm, you?

Great come back Jim did you think of that while counting blogs? A real question for you Jim and others, does anyone ever talk about real issues that might matter to voters in here?

marred25...am I glad you asked!!! Yes, the real important and truthful issues are from Amy, Toni and me. Hope this helps and glad to assist with your needs.

Jim I am really sorry, when I said talk about issues I meant willing to listen to what others had to say with out calling them names, that certianly takes you off the list!!! Remember Jim I called you biased and you said I was wrong. Yet you refuse to put it to a vote (afraid) not sure why but since you will not allow a vote I must assume I was right about you being biased. Its ok Jim even though most of what you throw out to us is dated material which I am already aware of I still find your blog the most entertaining of all, sort of like a sitcom which is really funny but offers nothing intellectual. One last thing Jim, others have posted some very good blogs, the kid and Al just to name a few so I hope you did not hurt their feelings by what you said in your last response, either way anyone who reads what you have to say will understand why you said what you did.

Marred25…as usual, I have to correct your facts. Name calling? You must have the wrong blog. I suggest you read the ones who make the real attacks. I will give you a hint. The liberal bloggers.



“Old dated material?” Unless you are a mosquito, this could be old. But Obama has only been in the Senate for 143 days before he ran for pres. so this can’t be that old. One blogger made a great quote when she/he said “I have food in my fridge longer than 143 days!” However you still seem to be speechless with the factual data