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I have a background in science and writing. I consider myself liberal, progressive, environmentally aware on many issues, but also believe that conservatism has a place and is valid.

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Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 6:35 AM

@AJ - First do you have any evidence at all that the murders were commited by a liberal? I know he was islamic and very religious, which to me says that the murders were from a religious fanatic, but Liberal, you relly have to back it up before calling me a hyporcrite. Proves my point well, religious extremists are a danger in our country both Christian and Islamic.
And ABORTION is legal, funny how you denounce it but do it with a caveat every time, it's hard to take a condemnation of murder followed by another condmention, stop trying to have your ckae and eat it to.
Well AJ, the mantra is that "Liberals are destroying the Nation" a blankent statement made by the RW every day of the week. I see no reason given the poltical and religious terror to tie all of it to the Right Wing in this country, since most of this violence is coming fron the Right. And also the reason it's hard to buy ammuniation as well becuase the gun nuts are buying it all and making it more expensive. MAybe we will see the rise of more militant anti-government groups; a good nod to David Koresh, don't you think.

I'm for the abortion rights for women, it's LEGAL in this country. I won't take your bait, nor do I think your argument of infanticide is valid.

Also, please PRAY that more of your religious fundematlasit fanatics KILL more abortion doctors and bomb more clinic's.

"...pro-lifers on this site and across the nation have denounced the murder of this doctor despite his choice to participate in infanticide...."

....Despite his choice to participate in infanticide? How is this a real condemnation of murder, I think it's just a cover and you people are silently applauded that what you consider justice is served by another martyr.

ajohnson911
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 8:09 AM

Read the news--he was motivated by "politics and religion" (his own words on capture). That aside, I note you don't condemn the action still.

And LEGAL? You're going to hide behind that thin screen on this issue that clearly divides this democracy-- when a living child is made dead--remember, he performed late term abortions.

It's indefensible (since we're dealing in death), but as long as it's "legal" it's all ok. Well then, (and this is not a life or death issue--but liberals will wreck cities and businesses and peoples careers about it) I guess no gays should be married in California then--the people decided "legally" against that. And so none in Wisconsin can marry either (No more complaining then from you or your brother!)--Which way do you want it? Oh, I see, the "liberal way"--the one that's politically conveniant to you. OOOOPS!!

Got you again!

You liberals support animal rights and the environment, and gay marriage issues, and terrorists in American-run prisons, and all these other "projects" but you can't support human life at the most basic level? I'll ask you again (you've dodged the question three times now) how can you reconcile your position--or is it your position that your hypocrisy is your politics?

I'll be waiting. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 8:56 AM

@AJ - What are his poltics? Get me evidence that he was a liberal? You know like I dug up on Jim Adkison were he wrote that he kileld the people in that church becuase he hated gays and liberals!!! Until you can the burden of proof is on you.

Sure you can complain about the law and fight against it, but silently comndoning domestic terrorsim when it suits your POV is indefensible, Sorry you didn't get me at all, nice red herring though.

My position is that I think abortion, a women's choice over her own body, trumps that of the fetus or a man's right to interfere with her body. After all we are not the incubator for the fetus.
I don't have to reconcile my position, you have to reconcile your tactic approval of using domestic terrorism against abortion providers and liberals.

ajohnson911
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 9:43 AM

When did I condone the actions of violence or murder?--read the posts--but way to try to dodge the topic (again.) Nothing on my "legal" analogy? And you've reststed a very thin position I've asked you to support--and now women or "incubators"--oh, Brave New World!

As to the guys politics, did you read the story? It's an on-going investigation; the cops have said though that he targeted this recruiting center because "he opposed US military operations"--while it may be an assumption; I'll take the risk to hazard he's NOT conservative!!! There's the proof--quit with the games and answer if will you condemn the attack on these soldiers--it's a simple question? Last chance!!! Your silence suggests you support his actions!!!! That (will) make(s) you a traitor.

Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 11:20 AM

There is nothing in the report that states he killed for POLTICAL ideology. At this point it seems a religious attack.

Yes I condemn the attacks on the Soldiers. Your such a whiner. And your tactics are so cheap.

Just as I condmen the tactic approval of anti-aboration domestic terrorism by the right.

Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 11:25 AM

Aj - BTW the traitor thing is so old, get a new line.

ajohnson911
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 12:24 PM

Thank you!

I stand by the quote above from the news articles I've read.

Christistiano Derecho
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 12:55 PM

it seems these liberal don't understand it. its not murder if you murder a liberal for abortion. its selve defense. ajohnson911s right, the shooter is not a conservatie hes a christian the only extreme thing is that more christians dont take actions. i agree with ajohson. you should repent jacob.

jmark
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 1:14 PM

Okay, who left the door to the insane asylum open?

ahemmer
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 1:54 PM

Jacob Pickard: While you are at it, why don't you provide your readers with a list of the thousands of babies murdered during partial-birth abortions and the doctors who killed them? Just a couple years or so would suffice, although I don't think you'd have enough space on your blog site.

Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 2:55 PM

Amy - So you approve of Domestic terrorism if it targets abortion doctors? Just as I thought.

Trying to skew the domestic terrorism issue is to typical of you militiant right wingers.

ahemmer
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 4:03 PM

Jacob Pickard/LiberalHammer (why do you have two post names for commenting?): Where do you get the idea that I approve of domestic terrorism if it targets abortion doctors? Where do I say such a thing? I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from putting words in my mouth. I do not approve of murdering abortion doctors. Abortion doctors are not innocent victims like the babies they kill, but they should not be killed for what they do. Now try to twist that statement, Jacob Pickard/LiberalHammer.

Jacob Pickard
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 6:29 PM

Amy - I don't know JS is screwed up, they can't seem to do anything correct and they don't seem to care.

You always end your condemnation with a caveat much like this man, "Operation Rescue condemned the killing as vigilantism and "a cowardly act." But its founder, Randall Terry, stressed that the anti-abortion movement should not tone down its rhetoric. He said the gunman was wrong to kill Tiller, 67, but that abortion opponents bear no responsibility for the action."

Tiller was "a mass murderer and horrifically, he reaped what he sowed," Terry told the National Press Club in Washington
URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_abortion_shooting_politics

Sounds like a case of blaming the victim, you know when a women is raped for wearing flashy clothing or showing to much cleavage.

A comdenation / non-comdenation.

Hollow very very hollow.

ahemmer
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009 8:51 PM

Jacob Pickard/Liberalhammer: Huh?

Tami Klink
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 6:42 AM

Amy - If you previously registered on JSOnline and used your email address, it won't let you log in. So, you have to use a different email address and new log in name in order to comment on here. In other words, it won't take the email that we all use to write our columns or the username. That's why you are seeing some of us with different usernames now. From Tami K.

jhayett
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 11:16 AM

Jacob…yesterday a left-wing liberal killed an innocent military recruiter and almost killed another. This was done from a left-wing, Islam believer who just hates. The latest story ties this man to liberalism and Islam. Is there a left-wing, liberal murderous theme going on against our soldiers and do you approve of this? Did you forget this?

However, many Christian organizations and news outlets, Like FOX News, denounced these killings and are 100% against such hate and killings. But have we even heard a peep from the hate filled, liberal MSM with their sadness for this fallen recruiter who was innocently killed and his partner severely wounded? Nope!!

When George Tiller was killed, nearly all the Christian and or anti-abortion groups came to his defense. One very extreme antiabortion group called Operation Rescue issued a statement condemning the murder. "We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning," Troy Newman, the organization's president, said. Read the entire story and from a liberal who also points out his disagreement with the religious right. But he too is sick and tired of all the liberal hate from the MSM accusing anyone who was against Tiller and or abortion as an accomplice.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124398690567579389.html

Christistiano Derecho
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 11:32 AM

haha

LiberalHammer
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 11:54 AM

@Jim - Anti-Abortion Domestic terrorism is well documented without an opinion piece to try to twist the reality that Christian Extremistst blow up clincis and murder doctors. It would seem you guys should clean up your own mess and denouce these tactics without the "he still deserved it" caveats you tag all of your denouceations of murder with. It would go a long way. Again Just like AJ please back up that the killer was a "left wing liberal" give me a AP story or a Knight-Ridder Article. I was looking for something to back this "Left Wing Liberal" theory up but could not find anything. Regardless of it was poltical ideology or religious fanatism, I condmen this sort of violence. Murder and violence for religious or poltical ideology is wrong in all cases, I have always said this and I will always stand behined this. Then again, your the man that allowed a Physical threat to be transmitted trhough your blog against me even when you had moderation powers. I get why you don't understand. Blah Blah Blah, hate fulled MSM, your ab broken record with your rhetoric, get something new. Go back to tha all liberals are traitor thing again. it was much more interesting. And of course you again ignore the "tiller was a Mass murderer" after it was denounced by operation rescue. Why would the extreme christion right really care of 30 some years of extremism. Physical Intimidation works.

jhayett
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 12:37 PM

Hey Jake...how about this truthful data form the press about this situation.

"President Obama issued a statement condemning “heinous acts of violence” within hours of Tiller’s death. The Justice Department issued its own statement and sent federal marshals to protect abortion clinics. News anchors and headline writers abandoned all qualms about labeling the gunman a terrorist. An almost gleeful excess of mainstream commentary poured forth on the climates of hate and fear created by conservative talk radio, blogs, and Fox News for reporting Tiller’s activities.

By contrast, President Obama was silent about the military recruiter attacks that left 24-year-old Private William Long dead and 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula gravely wounded. On Tuesday afternoon – more than 24 hours after the attack on the military recruiting center in Little Rock – President Obama held a press conference to announce his pick for Army Secretary. It would have been exactly the right moment to express condolences for the families of the targeted Army recruiters and to condemn heinous acts of violence against our troops. But President Obama said nothing. The Justice Department was mum.

http://michellemalkin.com/

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