Cap & Trade Bill = Needing a license (label) to sell your home

"You had better sell soon"

"More transfer of wealth"

I think Frank is engaging in a bit of fear mongering.

Tami: Your links have expired. But after pulling the bill up and reading sections 202, 203 and 204, I don't think Frank and I read the same bill. Essentially these sections set up a nation wide standard used to judge the energy efficiency of a building. A set of standards that means the same thing in WI as it does in FL. It provides funding for the audit of the building, assistance in the retrofit for energy savings up to certain limits based on percentage of savings realized. Allows for a rebate to replace energy deficient manufactured homes built prior to 1976. It allows local governments to participate in the programs and receive the same funding if their state chooses not to participate. I would like to put Frank in my basement because then I would be able to turn off my furnace and use his abundant supply of hot air for heat.

Possibly, Jmark. But, if you think about the possibilities outlined in this bill, most of it is not too far fetched. It will be interesting to see how far the States/Fed Government take this if it does pass in its' current form. Still wondering why we are not hearing about this in more detail. Could cost some homeowners quite a bit of money.
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Tami,

The Democrats know the Crap and Trade Bill would be the "Final Nail" so they will delay the push to force it on Americans.

The good news is this bill will die a slow death. Americans won't stand for any climate change bill that involves more taxation, regulations and lowering our standard of living.

No way can the Democrats pass this bill by 2010 and after the elections, the "Fear Mongering" will prove to be the "Fear Reality" that will return America back to the people.

Ref - While I can see where you are coming from, if you read the sections 202, 204 and 304, you can see where this could be headed. While 'Frank' is probably going to the extreme end, once they pass this bill, the door is open to then require all of us that own homes to comply with the guidelines. Initially, there will probably be 'rebates' similiar to what we are now seeing if you install a new furnace/AC/siding/windows/ect., but eventually that money/incentive will run out. Then what are the homeowners going to do? I know that we certainly can't afford to upgrade our home to the latest and greatest energy efficiency standards. And, even if we could do it, at the rate WE energies is getting rate hikes passed, it will not save us much in the long run.
I have a problem with the government trying to tell me what I need to do to my home in order to comply with something that is going to cost me more money no matter what I do. Just think about how much the fuels are going to cost.
Fear mongering is rampant on both sides right now, but if you look at some of the things our government is now doing, they are responsible for a lot of the fear/loss of decision making by all of the taxpayers. Yes, it would be nice if they would just spell out honestly how these new laws/regulations will affect all of us, but truth and disclosure went out the door several administrations ago. Meanwhile, all of our elected officials are having quite the party on seeing how far they can go to regulate all that we do. Both sides of the aisle.
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Ref - I went in this morning and updated the links. So, they should work now. Sorry about that! Everytime they change a part of the bill, the links expire instead of being forwarded.

2 cents - With all that is going on, it is quite apparent that none of politicians are living in the same world that most of us are. I still believe that if we had term limits and did away with the lobbyists, things would improve. But, it's going to take a long time to heal this government since it's been going on like this for so long. No party is responsible for all of it. It took a bunch of yahoos on both sides to get us where we are now. While I appreciate the fact that some of them have been there their entire working life, they really need to move on to a real job so that they can once again see what it's like outside of the hallowed walls. For example, Robert Byrd has been there for 56 years. And, he's 92 years old. Really, how can a 92 year old with no real world influence govern for the good of the people? Sensenbrenner is another one. Along with Kohl.
If we put all new people in place, it will be chaos for a while as they get used to the system and learn how to do their jobs. But, at least most of the newly placed ones won't have the long list of favors to pay back like we have now.
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I'm not as hopeful as you 2cents but I hope you're right--liberals have and are buying themselves the votes of an illiterate, stupid electorate through gov't handouts, programs and policies akin to "let the rich pay more because I'm a victim somehow" and a unholy alliance to the great god Al Gore and his green religion which again, only illiterate, stupid people buy into.

There is a shift though--and 2012 will, I think, be a great year for Republicans; but I fear far too much damage will be done by liberals before then.

AJ - Yea, and they are buying them with our tax dollars. I hear on a daily basis from so many that voted Obama that wish they hadn't. I also have said before and still believe the young vote won't support Obama in 2012. In fact, they have four years to become a more educated "Acorn Registered" voter. These young voters are realizing "They" will be the recipient of the Obama debt. They most likely were the largest group of illiterate voters who were greatly responsible for getting Obama elected and may ironically, play a big part in his demise. The "Senior" vote will probably be the prevalent group to vote against Obama in 2012 as the "Fad" to vote for a black president by the young has faded significantly.

Tami - ". . . term limits and did away with the lobbyists . . "

Another broken promise from Obama. They don't call it Pork for nothing!

Imagine how much good we could all do if we were in charge! Ok, maybe that's a little more scarier...
Seriously though, if there is someone out there in readerworld that is so inclined to run and be a candidate of the people, I'm sure that there are many of us in blog world that would be more than happy to help them out.
It's time to take back the country, do the right thing for all of the citizens and get the whole mess solved for the good of all of us. Believe me, most of the politicians will be just fine that don't get re-elected to office. Between their pensions and consultant fees, they will still come out ahead of the common citizen.
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Tami--"regular citizens" could not run for office--you need to be corrupt to hold those offices--and soul-less. There's not a decent one in the bunch--and many are even worse.

I'm (partially) kidding of course, but I think you get my point. It is a nice thought though.

Have a great weekend!

Good luck in the woods folks--and be careful!!!

Papamuskie--it's gotta be brown and have antlers :)

Tami - "Between their pensions and consultant fees, they will still come out ahead of the common citizen."

You should know that 44% of the members of Congress are millionaires. NO, that is not a misprint . . . . 237 members!

Now you know why members of Congress are so out of touch with Americans.

Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Beck are millionaires. Common folk love them. Evidence, that in America any idiot who speaks johnson can prosper. Well, any johnson speaking idiot with an ounce of wit that is.

jmark--sound a lot more like hollywood you're describing--liberal with $$$ who fawn all over themselves and eachother. . .and, ironically, it sounds a lot more like your current president.

They speak johnson in Hollywood too?

Don't forget, our Prez is also in the Millionaires club. Funny how someone that was in acadamia as his 'first' job ends up a millionaire. I must be doing something wrong all these years...

AJohnson - I know what you mean, but still think things would be a lot different if we actually had people in office that didn't have money to fall back on. It might just bring some of the reality back. Oh well, still clinging to my perception of what the U.S. could really be.

Have a great week!

Tami: I must admit to having very radical ideas about our government. The founding fathers set up two branches of Congress, the Senate - the landed elite, and the House - businessmen and the common man. Let's leave the Senate to the professional politician, but let's turn the House back the common man. Membership in the House is like jury duty - registered voters are chosen at random to serve. Three year term, housing and food provided, no lobbying contracts allowed afterward, no big retirement package, 1/3 replaced every year, seniority guaranteed at your previous job, when you are done with your term of making laws that affect all of us, you return to live with us, not hide out in DC. You can opt out without sacrificing voting privileges.

Ref - Very interesting idea! From watching the John Adams chronicles on Cable a few months back, it was kind of similiar to how they set things up back then. People were asked to serve in advisory terms (before the U.S. became seperate from England) and as their 'terms' were up, they were either asked to serve again or someone else took their place. Nothing like a group of independents trying to work together for the better good of the new country. Of course, there were some that had their own agendas, but in the end, they succeeded in forming a new country with their version of laws and rules.
If we put term limits into place and did away with the lobbyists influence, I think that we could probably start something like this at a local level. In my opinion, if you start locally, you have a better chance at getting us back on track. All of those sitting in the Washington D.C. offices have already crossed the line and probably don't even know how to honestly govern anymore.
Have a great week!