Let Wisconsin voters decide if we want a light rail choo-choo!
Looks like Obama & Co. have promised Wisconsin $823 million taxpayer dollars via the Stimulus Bill to start up a light rail project between Milwaukee, Madison and Chicago, with a train station to be built in Watertown. Whoopee!
All the newspapers and media have been reporting this story with the slant that everyone is happy - everyone wants this. Very little mention is given to the opposition. The media just assumes that we taxpayers are all delighted!
What I'd like to know is why the taxpayers of Wisconsin aren't being given the opportunity to even vote on whether or not we WANT such an expensive project in our state? It has been proven over and over - in states with cities much larger - that light rail has been a total disaster. Light rail in Seattle, for example, isn't a roaring success. Seattle is experiencing low ridership, to the tune of costing $179 million dollars per mile when calculating number of passengers vs. cost! And Seattle is a much bigger city than Milwaukee, with a population actually capable of supporting light rail! Even in Denver, where people voted for light rail in 2004, the city is now running out of money for the project. Recently, Denver voters were presented with a proposed sale tax increase in order to continue to fund the stalled light rail project. Guess people don't want to ride the trains in large numbers like many assume they will. And once the trains are up and running, they start losing even more money. Yet, Seattle and Denver are much larger cities then Madison or Milwaukee. And even they are finding out light rail is more expensive than expected. More costly to taxpayers as time goes by. After the novelty has worn off, so do the ridership levels. Milwaukee and Madison have even smaller populations than Denver or Seattle. Those two cities, as well as others throughout the country, are already experiencing few riders, high costs, and taxpayers just keep on payin' and payin' and payin'...... Is that what we can expect? Yes.
So, what are we missing here? Do we need to be whacked over the head with a hammer to realize that light rail will be an economic disaster for our state? A guaranteed money-loser? Face it -hardly anyone will ride the darn thing! Currently it takes about 45 minutes to get from Milwaukee to Madison in a car. Light rail won't cut down on travel time. The fastest speed supposedly will be 110 miles per hour (wonder why this project is even being called "high speed" light rail?). There will be stops along the way, adding to travel time, between Milwaukee and Madison. Given that people will first need to get to the train (by car, perhaps?), then once upon arrival have to find transportation to get to their final destination (by taxi or bus, perhaps?)- how much time and cost is saved? The honest answer has to be - NONE?!?
What we have here is a government - and state - intent on throwing away money - the taxpayers money. We taxpayers are being forced to pay for something that most of us do not want! Recent studies suggest that we taxpayers may end up paying passenger costs around $43 each way for this boondoggle! Imagine if this project wasn't going to be subsidized by taxpayers - how much an individual ticket would cost? Maybe then all the pro-light railers would have second thoughts - having to pay for their light rail experience all on their own. Just so they can sit and read a book rather than drive somewhere.... And haven't we said "no" to this before???
Even some in the People's Republic of Madison have chimed in that the prospect of building a light rail system is ridiculous. No one will use it. Busses in Madison aren't even being used now. Madison Metro is in the red year after year, just like the bus system in Milwaukee. Ridership in Milwaukee is so low that fares recently had to be raised - still not enough to even cover the expense of the bus system itself! And look at that glowing example of Amtrak - a train system entirely propped up year after year by the government to the tune of billions of taxpayer dollars, since it is such a money-loser.
So, with unemployment at a record high, job losses in the millions during 2009, and no end in sight, our government bestows upon us $823 million dollars for: A CHOO-CHOO? Why not give the funds to BadgerCare? or even better - don't spend the money! The Stimulus dollars don't even really exist anyhow - the money hasn't been printed yet! Our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren haven't started paying for the Stimulus Bill! Let's REALLY start saving and REALLY cut that deficit! Hasn't President Obama said that cutting the deficit and spending should be top priorities? Remember about the "no earmarks" promise? Well, a light rail train IS an earmark. It is not a necessity, but rather a "want" of certain individuals. During these poor economic times, can we really afford the luxury of "wants?"
Let's put this to a vote in November. Contact your state and local representatives to express your wishes. Put an end to the damage that Governor Doyle and his liberal cohorts continue to try to reek upon this state. We can stop this train wreck before it leaves the station.
We "derailed" Obama's plans for socialized medicine - we can do the same with his plans for socialized transportation!
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28 Comments
Jacob Pickard - Feb 01, 2010 4:20 PM
Yes or NO
Go light rail, I luv trains!!!
Jacob Pickard - Feb 01, 2010 4:23 PM
Go light rail?
Jacob Pickard - Feb 01, 2010 4:24 PM
Jacob Pickard - Feb 01, 2010 4:31 PM
When bloggers still had control over poster content, "Jim let BillyJ threaten me physically". Jim had ever opputruntiy to go in and clean it up and delete the message and tell BillyJ that that ws going to far.
Jim did nothing, but let the violent threat stand.
I complained to Erin, but at first she did nothing. I pushed again and finally she came to my side and created the discussion rules.
Jim, via a proxy, threatened me personally. He was not banned for those actions.
Onlyoneme - Feb 01, 2010 4:39 PM
ahemmer - Feb 01, 2010 4:39 PM
"Don't stray from the topic of the blog or submit pointless comments."
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And here's a good one - from you, Jacob:
"I am cleaning up my act; I am disgusted with my behavior, but I still plan to keep up the fight."
Judging from your comments to my blog, you need to read your own blog over again - maybe several times.
ahemmer - Feb 01, 2010 4:41 PM
Jacob Pickard - Feb 01, 2010 5:12 PM
Do you care to answer any of my questions in public, you only get one chance.
Onlyoneme - Feb 01, 2010 5:14 PM
Is there anything “public” you are not against?
Dustin_Klein - Feb 01, 2010 5:41 PM
ahemmer - Feb 01, 2010 7:30 PM
I don't approve of my taxpayer dollars going to fund social programs that simply perpetuate societal ills.
Dustin Klein: "Paid for from the stimulus funding" - huh? Did you know that the money we are blowing with the stimulus bill hasn't even been printed yet, Dustin? Our government continues to spend, spend, spend - and it's all money we DON'T have. The government doesn't create money - the money the government spends comes from the taxpayers. How in the world is the light rail project "going back to the people." If you mean we - the people - will be saddled with the debt for generations, then I guess you are correct.
jhayett - Feb 01, 2010 8:23 PM
Onlyoneme - Feb 01, 2010 9:00 PM
I can agree with your take on Light Rail, it has been a issue for some time now, I remember hearing about the debate in the past and quite frankly thought the issue was dead, apparently, it isn’t. I think it should have died a while ago, or with the last effort to get it passed. Part of the desire for the light rail system comes from the nostalgia from the past that Dustin mentioned. However, at that time horse and buggy were the means of travel, for larger distances rail was used. The average speed of a horse at a walk is 3 to 4 mph at that speed it takes 20 minutes for a horse to travel 1 mile. In short a light rail made sense at that time, I don’t believe it does in this day and age.
It should also be noted that it is not an immediate project that it will take some time to layout its route. It is obvious that a light rail system could not follow along the I-94 corridor because many of the grades along the corridor are too steep for rail. Properties will have to be bought or seized to create a corridor for the rail system to follow.
There is no public transportation available to most (if not all) of the villages and towns outside Milwaukee. So anyone accessing the rail would have to drive to the station. In addition, would need a ride from the station to their destination, just as Amy stated in her blog
To estimate ridership at this time would only be a guess as to whether it would rise or fall . However once the price of gas goes back up (only a matter of time) the ridership will increase once again, lie they were when gas prices were over $4.00 a gallon.
Personally, I doubt if I would ever ride it, I have yet to ride public transportation, except for a ride from Millar Park to the state fair. I am reluctant to suggest that Milwaukee County give up its busses, and leave the people riding it now to their own means of transportation.
Andy_Kristensen - Feb 01, 2010 9:49 PM
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 12:41 AM
Sorry about your tickets, but it's not my fault or a reason why we need light rail. I'm for light rail, but not now and not in this economy. We have more pressing needs than another gov. run org.
Carl Hicks - Feb 02, 2010 7:10 AM
The population of the areas this system would serve ( Chicago,Milwaukee and Madison) is a little over 4M people at a cost of over 800M (which is only an estimated cost for construction and we all know how rare it is for the government to do anything under budget) Amtrak already makes the Chicago to Milwaukee run as do busses. A better idea to me for a portion of this funding would be to increase fuel effeciency and lower emmisions of busses, that would make mass transit better for everyone since we do not need to build extra infrastructure.Efficient busses would lower operating costs for communities reducing ( hopefully or at least stabilzing) fares for riders.Plus ideas such as hybrid busses would be a product America could sell to other countries possibly turning those spent tax dollars into something profitable instead of another possible drain on our economy. I'm sure if you owned some of property that would be taken away by eminent domain you would feel differently about this project.
ahemmer - Feb 02, 2010 7:37 AM
What do you think those "stimulus" dollars are, Andy? They are taxpayer dollars - dollars that our country doesn't even have to spend! Money that future generations will be saddled with repaying for years to come. Taxes, Andy. And in every city - yes, every city! - where light rail has started up, the costs keep skyrocketing. Whatever is projected is minimal based on what the real costs end up being. Taxpayers subsidize the ridership. Do you understand how that works? Without taxpayer funding, tickets to ride light rail would be cost-prohibitive. No one would be able to afford a ride. Projections are that taxpayers (yes, from Wisconsin!) would be picking up the cost of $43 for EACH one way trip. Get it? Wisconsin taxpayers will be paying for this wasteful project for years, with no end in sight. Just so a handful of people can ride and read a book....
Makes no sense to me, and the Wisconsin voters should have some say in this poor decision! I only hope that Scott Walker gets elected as Governor in November and gives Obama back his Monopoly Money.
ahemmer - Feb 02, 2010 7:41 AM
Dustin_Klein - Feb 02, 2010 3:26 PM
Andy has a background in National and Wisconsin politics that is very respectful and you might want to ask him about it before you make assumptions on his notion of how this country's financial institutions work.
ahemmer - Feb 02, 2010 3:44 PM
Maybe Andy should sit down with his mom and have the concept of "property taxes" explained to him, as well as Federal and State taxes. Then he should get back to me with how he believes that light rail "won't cost Wisconsin a dime." By accepting Stimulus dollars, it already has.