How's Iraq now?
I was going through some old emails and came across this one sent to me last March by my good friend, Steve. The irony of this is that we have no current news coming out of Iraq with regard to how the Iraqis feel. Ten months ago, as this article from the liberal MSM proves, the vast majority of Iraqis say they are safe and overwhelmingly support democracy. But what I find even more interesting is we have no clue as to what the Iraqis think about us today and their new found democracy. Perhaps because these polls from the liberal MSM didn't quite go their way? Has anyone found any polling from the Iraqi people? Would love to see what they say now.
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, March 16, 2009 4:20 PM PT
In most ways, the news from Iraq couldn't be better. People there feel more secure, and are more committed to democracy, than ever. Is it possible that President Bush was right after all?
A poll of average Iraqis conducted by ABC News, the BBC and Japan's NHK shows significant progress on virtually all fronts. Yet, we've heard nary a peep about it from anyone.
Some 85% of respondents said their neighborhood security was "good," vs. 62% a year ago and just 43% in August of 2007. And 52% said security had gotten better in the last year — during the Bush-Petraeus "surge," which was widely ridiculed at the time as an unnecessary escalation of the Iraq War.
Support for democracy jumped to 64%, a 21-percentage-point gain since 2007, according to a report on CNSNews.com. As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it "very good" or "quite good," up significantly from 43% last year and 22% in 2007.
When asked what their concerns are today, Iraqis sound a lot like Americans: Jobs and prices are at the top of their list — not war, not security, not terrorism.
In short, it sounds like we not only won the war, but the peace as well. And for those who cast a skeptical eye on the idea that any Islamic country could ever be democratized, it turns out the former President Bush is winning that debate too.
With President Obama in the middle of withdrawing troops from Iraq on a schedule that looks suspiciously identical to the one that Bush had in place, it's safe to say that Obama increasingly sees the wisdom of what his predecessor tried to do in Iraq.
Maybe the rest of us should as well.
It's become de rigueur to deride Bush's "failed" policies in Iraq. No one speaks well of them — except, maybe, Iraqis.
But here are the facts, stark as they are: During his vicious 20-year reign, Saddam Hussein — remember him? — killed an estimated 5% of Iraq's population. That works out to about 5,000 people a month slaughtered by the regime.
You might disagree that Bush was right to depose this murderous thug. But in doing so, you would then have to defend the deaths of thousands of innocents.
For those who say Bush went to war in Iraq under false pretenses — you know, "Bush lied, people died" — there's this: He made a lengthy, nuanced defense of his decision to get rid of Saddam. It was reflected in Congress' own resolution in late 2002, which cited 23 reasons for removing Saddam from power.
The ideas that it was all about oil or that Congress was bamboozled on WMD are both false.
Bush, Congress and our foreign allies all saw the same intelligence, and all came to the same conclusion: Saddam had a nuclear weapons program, and intended to build one as soon as he was able. That was, and remained, true.
After being bashed relentlessly in the media and on the campaign trail, President Bush left the White House with his approval ratings low and little, except his dignity, intact.
If he is to have a Truman-like reprieve in the public eye, it will surely come as we all start to realize that on Iraq, contrary to popular and elite opinion, Bush got it right. Mission accomplished.
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158 Comments
ahemmer - Feb 02, 2010 11:07 AM
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 11:18 AM
MC_Pickard - Feb 02, 2010 1:27 PM
Come one big boy, publish your alleged study!
I know you can't.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 2:06 PM
Is this what you cant debate Matt? "Some 85% of respondents said their neighborhood security was "good," vs. 62% a year ago and just 43% in August of 2007. And 52% said security had gotten better in the last year — during the Bush-Petraeus "surge," which was widely ridiculed at the time as an unnecessary escalation of the Iraq War."
Christian Democrat - Feb 02, 2010 2:09 PM
What will you do for an audience on here, as every one of us walk away from your degrading comments and harrassment? You and your cohort from Merton who hold yourselves above everyone else, who stand in judgement of all those that dare to hold different views. The two of you made ridicule of my faith, one in which you supposively share - for the sole reason of the word "Democrat" behind the Christian....
What will you do.......wait for a new group of "liberal liars" to come forward....and attack them until they leave also? You have not changed anyone's way of thinking, you have not converted anyone to Conservatism - but you have disgusted everyone with your blatant hypocrisy to the point where we have no choice but to move along to a less toxic environment.
The truth is - you do a great disservice to Conservatism, Jim. You make the word and all it encompasses sound dirty...shame on you for that.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 2:20 PM
Now, what part of my blog got you so upset that you had to attack me and lie again? Was it this CD? "Support for democracy jumped to 64%, a 21-percentage-point gain since 2007, according to a report on CNSNews.com. As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it "very good" or "quite good," up significantly from 43% last year and 22% in 2007.
Onlyoneme - Feb 02, 2010 2:31 PM
Incredible, in your past blog you were telling us that the Iraqis were ecstatic over our “freeing” them, and know your saying that you don’t have current information regarding the Iraqis and do not know what they think of us now.
What happened to all this empirical evidence you say you collected??
And you wonder why I have a hard time accepting your credibility.
Hypocrite
Onlyoneme - Feb 02, 2010 2:38 PM
As Iraq goes slowly ahead with its plan for national elections, and as U.S. military forces are extracted from the Iraqi theater of operation several things become increasingly clear. First and foremost, the U.S. invasion of Iraq has not brought about peace, stability and democracy to this country, but has only been an expensive lesson in futility. Other than ridding the world of Saddam Hussein, the war has accomplished absolutely nothing. Secondly, any and all acts of generosity by the American taxpayers will only be regarded by the Iraqis has an attempt at “influence buying” by the “Great Satan” from the West. Thirdly, no amount of American infra-structure rebuilding will ultimately make a difference when Iraq enters into a sustained period of civil war. Perhaps some day, far in the future, Iran or Saudi Arabia will be able to help the Iraqis operate their “gifts from America," however, in the meantime the best policy for America would be to close our checkbooks and “head out of Dodge”.
http://www.broowaha.com/articles/5470/iraqi-government-incompetence
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 2:41 PM
This latest data I gave is only 10 months old! I'm asking if there have been any updates since. This is as current s we have. You only give me your opinion with no facts. I give you evidence. These polls are fresh but I'm looking to give you the benefit of the doubt while asking if anyone has an update.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 2:43 PM
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 2:53 PM
Onlyoneme - Feb 02, 2010 2:54 PM
The first article is from November 2009, I am all too aware that that was just over 3 months ago. A lot less than the 10 months you mentioned.
It is useless trying to debate you Jim. You don't want to acknowledge the information and links I have provided because they do not support your OPINION. You just do not want to acknowledge that INVADING Iraq was a mistake.
Onlyoneme - Feb 02, 2010 2:57 PM
Christian Democrat - Feb 02, 2010 2:57 PM
I told you my brother was in SpecOps. That he was my credible reference. You then, out of nowhere - all of a sudden have a relative in SpecOps. That is what I questioned. You also implied that your relative was more credible than mine. That is what I questioned!
You stated : "When you see that, and my connection to relatives in Spec Ops. who say and show me the same, that's as factual as it gets." The argument was about why YOUR "facts" are more credible, more "EMPIRICAL" than mine, when we use the exact same news organizations, media - and apparently, relatives in the military.
This was my response, my "LIE": "Ok Jim, so my watching FOX News, CNN, MSNBC and reading national newspapers do not equate with "balanced news", but when YOU watch and read those same media outlets, then it does??? And wait, did I understand you correctly? Now you too have a relative in Spec Ops? Where and whom, may I ask? And why exactly, is your relative more credible than my brother?"
Your response back to me: "CD...this is why I call you a liar(sp)."
I did not call you any names Jim. When I dont agree with you, I DEBATE you, Jim. You just call me a liar, a hypocrite, a "dumb-dumb", or whatever else you can think of at the time. You are seriously not worth the trouble.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 3:02 PM
Do you believe in that article where we are the Great Satan?
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 3:04 PM
I never implied anything even close to that at any time. I never would do that to you or anyone. Never! This is why I call you a liar.
Can you please stick to this blog post? If you wish, I will carry this to my the blog it all started with.
Onlyoneme - Feb 02, 2010 3:09 PM
I knew you would call the sites Liberal and Anti-American, it IS what you ALWAYS do. Anything to discount your opponents resources, just like you always do.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 3:10 PM
"Now, when you go to balanced news, like FOX, you see the crowds of thousands cheering for what America did and that is they have their freedom. Women can be free to wear what they want, go to school, work, teach, etc. When you see that, and my connection to relatives in Spec Ops. who say and show me the same, that's as factual as it gets."
You can all see I never implied or said my relative was more credible. It never even crossed my mind. How you come up with this is just too much to try and comprehend.
jhayett - Feb 02, 2010 3:14 PM
All I asked is to give some new polling data where the Iraqi people tell us how they feel now compared to one year ago with regards to the polling questions I cited above. That's all. I really don't know. I'm serious.
MC_Pickard - Feb 02, 2010 3:16 PM
Care to furnish the link?
You know you can't because you never did.