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Tami Klink

Al - You've hit the nail on the head. My husband and I were discussing this very thing a few days ago. It is amazing how the Main Stream Media will grab on to any story that will take our minds off of what is really happening in Washington.
We also owned a Toyota for many years. It was one of the most trouble free cars we've ever bought.
Will be interesting to to see what kind of an impact this has on their sales vs. Ford and GM. Of course, neither of those manufacturers have ever had a mechanical problem that has led to injury or death. Or so it seems. How soon we forget....
Have a great week!

jmark

veiled suggestions?

"Mr. Yokoyama, the quality control executive, said Toyota had found a problem in the vehicle’s regenerative brakes, a complex system that draws energy from the spinning wheel to help recharge the battery."

"The Japanese Transport Ministry said at least 14 cases had been reported in Japan, with drivers complaining of brakes momentarily failing at low speeds, especially on slippery surfaces."

I'm going with the coincidence theory, that is, until you offer some hard evidence for the conspiracy theory.

referee33

The more global the economy becomes, the more tangled the web we live in. I sometimes long for Henry Ford's edict, you can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black.

aneuhauser

jmark: The problem is with the design of the antilock braking system. When the car hits a sharp bump or large pothole while braking, a wheel may momentarily leave the road surface and lose traction. The ABS tries to compensate for the traction loss by relaxing braking action. This is not actually a defect but rather an unanticipated consequence. The problem has been fixed in production but about 200,000 Prius on the road in Japan, the U.S. and Europe will be recalled.

I still don't believe in coincidences.

aneuhauser

Ref: Henry also specified the size and construction of the wooden packing cases in which certain parts were shipped to his factory so he could break them down and use the boards for floorboards. That sounds a little overboard to me. (Groan!)

frustrated1

Al- I do think the government is piling on a bit and that very well could be due to the gov being owner of government motors. However if you follow all of the reports over the last year or two I don't think Toyota acted properly in this case. There have been many reports of acceleration in Toyota vehicles and Toyota tried to hide the severity of the problem first by claiming it was the mats, then it was the gas pedal had to be cut down and now they are adding a shim into the pedal mechanism to reduce the friction in the pedal mechanism (not just moving the pedal). If they would have simply admitted the mistake/problem that all complex machines can run into and fixed it properly rather than blaming it on everything under the sun to defer blame they would have been better off in my opinion. The way this has played out 1 recall has turned into 3-4. Besides it isn't just the gas pedals, they also have spare tires falling off of trucks because of premature rust and now the brake issue on the prius. It seems to me that Toyota is undergoing some growing pains that it needs to work out.

Carl Hicks

I agree with you frustrated about how Toyotas image damage control exasperated their problem . And I agree with you Al about this being a bogus headline bombbardment item.
Drive by wire and regenrative braking are new features for Toyotas and new technology always has bugs to work out after implementing them into production.
This is a typical media feast,possibly an act of corporate revenge for Toyota stealing the show in the Cash for Clunkers program. Toyota dealership mechanics must be enjoying the overtime pay so there is a silverlining.
The opportunity of coincindence is needed to create conspiracy.

jmark

Is it coincidental that the newspaper with the world's largest circulation is editorializing about Toyota's problems in today's (or is it tomorrow's) newspaper? Are they in on the media/government conspiracy as well?

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20100206TDY02309.htm

Carl Hicks

The media loves to run with a story when it's hot. Toyota sales have been high for years so they have a big potential audience. In my opinion The government investigations to me at least just looks like the typical attempt to make us think they are aware and doing something about a problem.

PoorInRichfield

I, too, find the media hype over the recalls to be suspicious. I read about recalls all the time, including a recent brake related recall by Ford for it's Mercury Milan and Ford Fusion hybrids, but somehow they don't make headline news for weeks?

While I agree that it's a good idea for Toyota to fix the issue, I don't understand why they are getting way more publicity than any other manufacturer. My family has had a lot of Toyotas and they've all been great cars.

jmark

Yep, even the fair and balanced media is in on the conspiracy.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584894,00.html

aneuhauser

Toyota is doing something about the problem(s), albeit rather clumsily. Congress and the administration, filled as they are with automotive engineers, are piling on for political reasons. The media, fair and balanced or not, can't resist a juicy story, even one artificially inflated for ulterior motives.

jhayett

Al and Tami...we too discussed this very situation because our oldest is 19 and my youngest is just about to get behind the wheel even though we own all American vehicles. However, I'm worried that this can happen while my kids are driving with friends or even in one of our vehicles. I heard the best thing to do if this happens is to put the vehicle in neutral and try turning of the engine. Emergency brake should work while in neutral. FYI

referee33

Jim: If you turn off the engine doesn't your steering wheel lock in place? Also you lose your power braking. Placing the transmission in neutral or pushing in the clutch and getting out of traffic is best. Perhaps engaging the cruise control and throttling down that way might work.

Carl Hicks

This type of thing is quite typical for a company in Toyotas current situation. Economy is slow so they had trimmed their workforce, along comes a sudden surge in sales so the reduced work force get pushed to do more. Toyotas success is in part thanks to American auto company problems,self inflicted by poor management. They were living off the big SUV and not putting out any decent small cars. I wonder if any of Toyotas recalls have affected the models built for other nametags.Lexus ,Scion or the Poniac Vibe = Toyota Matrix and a few other GMs....Porsche : Boxster and Cayenne

Carl Hicks

if you have a runaway accelerator you should .first push the clutch or hit nuetral then,with a keyed ignition on the column turn the key to off ..NOT LOCK..then yes power brakes and steering will be lost and if you feel you need more braking apply the parking brake slowly, if you jam it on all the way you will be sideways on your way to spinning out real fast, on an older cable/linkage car kick down on the pedal a few times to unstick it before you try to restart it and get it looked at right away..The Toyotas in this recall are push buttons on the dash I believe as most everyone went keyless now, so I don't know what happens to steering when you turn those off.

jhayett

ref33...you should have two positions for the key and usually most new cars I don't think can go into lock unless in park and the brake is depressed.

aneuhauser

Maybe the best thing to do is open the door and jump out!

According to Toyota, the real experts on their cars and I don't think they'd dare lie at this point, the "sticking accelerator pedal" problem is rare and does NOT occur without warning. If the pedal becomes noticeably harder to depress or returns slowly, get thee to a dealer post haste. If it sticks on you, try getting under the pedal with the side of your shoe and pulling it up. If you haven't floored it, there should be a gap under the pedal.

If it's working O.K., not to worry. It will not suddenly stick all the way down or go down by itself. There are no verified instances of Toyota cars suddenly accelerating by themselves--so-called "sudden acceleration." This is strictly an accelerator pedal binding problem.

Boys and girls, can you say "overwrought reaction?"

Tami Klink

Or we could all support the 'green' way of life and go back to riding a bicycle! Sorry, couldn't resist...

aneuhauser

Old college drinking song: "I was going down the hill doing 90, when the chain on my bicycle broke. [...]" The rest won't get by the blog obscenity filter.

Horse and buggy, anyone? Ooops, methane emission!

jhayett

All...send me an email with the rest. I never heard that one!!

referee33

Al: We can live with the methane emission, but one of the complaints of residents in Amish land (Marquette and Green Lake county), is the exhaust left on the road, as well as the wear and tear caused by steel rims.

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