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May 2013

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Town loses fire equipment due to bidding error

The Town of Vernon, which is arguably already cutting it close when it comes to setting up its own fire department, faced another setback last week after a clerical error cost it close to $200,000 in used equipment.

Vernon and the Village of Big Bend are splitting up the fire equipment as they prepare for the disbanding of their joint fire department at the end of this year. At this point, the communities are planning to set up individual departments. There has been talk of a possible contract between the two communities; however, nothing has been officially decided.

As part of the process for dividing up the equipment, the two municipalities were each given flash drives that held a document to mark their bids on fire department equipment, explained Fire Board President Ed Moline. This process was to keep the bids as sealed as possible, he said. The two communities then met with the Fire Board last Thursday to go over the bids.

Town Supervisor Tom Bird was designated to select the pieces of equipment and other Fire Department items for the town.

"There was a clerical error in filling out the bid sheet," explained Town Chairman Fred Michalek. "As a result, we didn't get certain items."

Village President James Soneberg explained the process outlined for the communities by the Fire Board. For the trucks and tankers, etc., the two communities could bid just once for not only the apparatus but for all of the equipment on that particular apparatus. Everything was included as a package, he said.

But for other things, such as equipment in the bay, the bunk room and the chief's office, they could either bid on the individual items or on everything. If they wanted everything, there was a spot to indicate that, he said.

"He (Tom Bird) did not follow the directions as explained by the Fire Board," Soneberg said. "That cost the Town of Vernon turnout gear, radios, pagers and hoses. The village ended up with all that equipment."

Soneberg said that the items bid on by the village were discussed first. During that discussion, Bird attempted to make changes to his bid on his flash drive, but he was not allowed to do so, said Soneberg.

Michalek said that although he didn't have an exact figure, the total amount of equipment not bid on was about $180,000 worth.

He noted that the town will make that back because of the funding formula, which allocates proceeds from the sale of equipment back to the two communities when the department dissolves. Under that formula, the town will receive about 83 percent and the village 17 percent, based on property values, the number of residents and number of calls to each community

Town residents are concerned the blunder will set the town back.

"Because of this amateurish mistake by our Town Board committee led by Tom Bird, we don't have any equipment for a new fire department," wrote Mike Doble, member of the Vernon for Sensible Government Committee. "How is the Town of Vernon going to afford to buy all new equipment for a fire department, get this set up, and be ready for fire coverage by Jan. 1?"

Michalek said what's next is for the town to get prices to replace those items. In total, the Village of Big Bend received $286,000 worth of equipment at the appraisal rate.

Last week's meeting was just the first step in the appraisal process. Those items bid on by only one community will go to that community, but the items bid on by both communities will need to be bid on in a sealed bid and will be determined in a closed session meeting Sept. 21.

  1. hope someone teaches Mr. Bird how to use a flash drive by the 21st. Could this board be any more incompetant? We probably have a 50% chance they will remember to turn up for the closed session.
  2. Most importantly, you should hope that the Fire Dept shows up! This has been a festering wound for more than 10 years. The Village feels discounted. The Town feels that they pay too much. Yet neither can live without the other. GROW UP AND LEARN TO PLAY WELLTOGETHER! United you stand and divided you ALL fall. And Hey Jamie! You made it back to Village Pres again! Congrats!
  3. Most importantly, you should hope that the Fire Dept shows up! This has been a festering wound for more than 10 years. The Village feels discounted. The Town feels that they pay too much. Yet neither can live without the other. GROW UP AND LEARN TO PLAY WELLTOGETHER! United you stand and divided you ALL fall. And Hey Jamie! You made it back to Village Pres again! Congrats!
  4. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig! Mr. Michalek you are an expert. I wonder how your clerks feel for having to take the fall for that moron Tom Bird. The appraisals were kept low, so both communities could get equipment at reasonable prices. The cost to replace what was lost is going to be huge. Michalek, Bird, Craig, Barikmo you should be run out of office for putting us in this position!
  5. That's karma!
  6. What are you folks thinking? As a big bend resident I am madder than he!! Soneberg said start up costs would be $135,000 for our own fire department and some guy in the bar last night said the village just spent close to $300,000 on what ... miscellaneous items. Are you folks nuts? Our equity in the joint department is only 17% and it was blown away on used equipment. In fact the village just spent our equity plus tens of thousands of dollars more. I am so unhappy with those nitwit trustees. I love Big Bend and have lived here all my life. Where, tell me, is the money coming from to buy our fire truck. What are the village trustees doing with our tax dollars? Last year it cost Big Bend $81 thousand for fire protection and we could have gone with Vernon for like $93 thousand next year, and what do the trustees do but run up a mind numbing debt. What are they thinking? Where are we going to keep all of this used equipment? According to the bartender, in a new million fire house! Soneberg and the other trustees don't deserve to be on the village board. Yes, I'm a little old lady who loves her beer, but I'm going to church next Sunday and pray that I'll see 4sale signs in front of all the homes of the trustees soon. The trustees have really ruined things. They have made the village look like a Thanksgiving turkey and Vernon is going to eat us alive.
  7. What are you folks thinking? As a big bend resident I am madder than he!! Soneberg said start up costs would be $135,000 for our own fire department and some guy in the bar last night said the village just spent close to $300,000 on what ... miscellaneous items. Are you folks nuts? Our equity in the joint department is only 17% and it was blown away on used equipment. In fact the village just spent our equity plus tens of thousands of dollars more. I am so unhappy with those nitwit trustees. I love Big Bend and have lived here all my life. Where, tell me, is the money coming from to buy our fire truck. What are the village trustees doing with our tax dollars? Last year it cost Big Bend $81 thousand for fire protection and we could have gone with Vernon for like $93 thousand next year, and what do the trustees do but run up a mind numbing debt. What are they thinking? Where are we going to keep all of this used equipment? According to the bartender, in a new million fire house! Soneberg and the other trustees don't deserve to be on the village board. Yes, I'm a little old lady who loves her beer, but I'm going to church next Sunday and pray that I'll see 4sale signs in front of all the homes of the trustees soon. The trustees have really ruined things. They have made the village look like a Thanksgiving turkey and Vernon is going to eat us alive.
  8. Do these men on the Vernon Town Board even have a conscience? Are these guys looking out for the Public Safety of the Town people or are they so narrow minded and arrogant that they don't see what they have done? People of Vernon - show up at the Town Hall Meeting on September 16th and ask Mr. Bird to resign!
  9. greeneyedgrandma, how 'bout you stop listening to the tavern league, attend board meetings and find out the true facts.
  10. If Michalek, Bird, Craig, Barikmo can't run a simple auction DO YOU REALLY TRUST THESE PEOPLE WITH RUNNING A FIRE DEPARTMENT??? This is what these egomaniacs wanted, full control, and the first thing the have on the agenda loses our town 200K. Think very hard, when three of them come up for election in April. There is no excuse for this.....
  11. Greeneyedgrandma it will be fine, these items can be financed much like a car.
    They made a very wise purchase and in the long run you will save money but
    most important you will have fire protection. You cannot get fire protection for
    93,000 from a Town with no fire dept. once the town makes a contract proposal
    it still will not be valid until they actually have a fire dept up and running. If the
    Village President and Village Trustee's did not act then where would you be if the
    bar catches on fire?

    From what I can remember about Bartenders, they are not supposed to talk
    religion or politics.
  12. Greeneyedgrandma...I am a trustee and you can call me or any other Trustee or
    the Village President anytime and we would explain what is really going on. I
    believe that would be a better choice than listening to your "Bartender". Or
    maybe come to a Village Board meeting. You would learn that we are not happy
    about any of this. But the present Town Board has set out to punish Big Bend for
    annexations or God knows what else! I also love Big Bend and have lived here all
    my life. We are doing the best we can with what we were dealt. We are
    purchasing only what we need to operate the Fire Dept. that we have been
    forced to start, we pay taxes to!
  13. greeneyedgrandma.....do you have any idea what is included in"miscellaneous"
    items??? Most of those are items that NO DEPARTMENT can operate without,
    costing thousands of dollars. You should really stop listening to "some guy in
    the bar and bartender" get off the bar stool, attend board meetings and really
    find out what the village board has had to put up with for the past eight
    months. Remember it was not the village that voted to break up the department.
  14. The village board didn't actually spend $300,000 on equipment. As I understand it, in the assessment the amount of money that the village and town have put forth on equipment was tallied up, and each community uses the total sum to bid on items using the equivalent of credit. Say for instance that the village put in $100,000 for a new fire engine and the town put in $200,000; the village would then have $100,000 of credit to use in bidding for equipment.

    Perhaps the town should have left this responsibility to the consulting group along with everything else.
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